Vetting failure led to terrorism?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm sorry, but JD, did you once attend First Pentecostal Gulag?

Dude why are you even here posting on an Apostolic forum if you hold such a low opinion of us and our churches?

JD has a wrong impression of us Apostolics.

Yes there might be a few apostolics who condemn anyone not in their church or denomination as totally lost without any hope of salvation, but that is not the belief of the majority of the Apostolics.

I for once do hold out hope that Trinitarians will also make it to heaven, I really hope they do, but I am not dogmatic about it either way.

I also know for sure that many of my apostolic brethren also hope that the Trinitarians will also be admitted into heaven.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm sorry, but JD, did you once attend First Pentecostal Gulag?

Dude why are you even here posting on an Apostolic forum if you hold such a low opinion of us and our churches?

I am not sure.

Maybe the UPCI has under gone more change than I thought! You guys are acting like my characterization of Apostolics is not the norm. I knew that to be the norm growing up in the Way of the Cross, through most my time in the Corps with the UPCI, through my time in the Guard, living in various parts of the country with the UPCI, through my deployments-- most Apostolics are not mean about it to non-Apostolics, but they definitely didn't fellowship Trinitarians as their saved brothers and sisters.

I know at my last Apostolic church, Trinitarians were considered lost by the congregants that would ask me questions and try to paint me in a corner over it.

I know my Dad's organization does not consider those "three-god folks" as saved (usually meant as a reference to COGIC). I also heard from others about the Baptists and Methodists, "those folks don't live nothing anyway!"

Is it different now? Do Apostolics now preach that Trinitarians will be in Heaven too?

If the Oneness Pentecostal view of salvation has changed, I didn't know and I apologize for the mischaracterization.

When did it change?

Does Elder Epley know about the change?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

...I really hope they do, but I am not dogmatic about it either way.

Did you ever live in any of the Carolina's as an Apostolic?

How about Alabama or Maryland?

West Virginia?

Florida?

Surely, I can't be that far off in what I have said, otherwise I will apologize.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I've heard the "big name" Apostolic preachers in person with my own ears.

I've gone to many Apostolic conferences (mainly east of the Mississippi and south of Philly).

I've spoken with some Apostolic Pastors in private, in different parts of the country, where I have visited and where I have lived.

I know what they say, what they tell the congregation. They're usually consistent.

They leave no room at all and honestly, they really can't-- not if they really believe what they preach.

I really don't think I am mischaracterizing Apostolics. I think you guys haven't given much thought to the fact that if the Apostolics are right in all they present, then it is really next to impossible for anyone else to be right too.

Seriously, explain how anyone else could be saved, who's not Apostolic.

If I am mischaracterizing the Apostolics, show me in scripture how others are saved without obeying Acts 2:38 as presented in Apostolic circles.

I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong.

[shazeep]

No, you are right, generally speaking. Does that mean that there are not many humble, awesome OPs in even the most dogmatic of churches? Of course not. But cliches do not evolve out of thin air. "Us 4 and no more."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am not sure.

Maybe the UPCI has under gone more change than I thought! You guys are acting like my characterization of Apostolics is not the norm. I knew that to be the norm growing up in the Way of the Cross, through most my time in the Corps with the UPCI, through my time in the Guard, living in various parts of the country with the UPCI, through my deployments-- most Apostolics are not mean about it to non-Apostolics, but they definitely didn't fellowship Trinitarians as their saved brothers and sisters.

I know at my last Apostolic church, Trinitarians were considered lost by the congregants that would ask me questions and try to paint me in a corner over it.

I know my Dad's organization does not consider those "three-god folks" as saved (usually meant as a reference to COGIC). I also heard from others about the Baptists and Methodists, "those folks don't live nothing anyway!"

Is it different now? Do Apostolics now preach that Trinitarians will be in Heaven too?

If the Oneness Pentecostal view of salvation has changed, I didn't know and I apologize for the mischaracterization.

When did it change?

Does Elder Epley know about the change?

JD are Muslims, Jews, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Mormons saved?
If not, why and if yes why?

Also why are you bringing up Elder Epley?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Did you ever live in any of the Carolina's as an Apostolic?

How about Alabama or Maryland?

West Virginia?

Florida?

Surely, I can't be that far off in what I have said, otherwise I will apologize.

Did he have to attend congregations in those states in order to be Apostolic?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I've heard the "big name" Apostolic preachers in person with my own ears.

I've gone to many Apostolic conferences (mainly east of the Mississippi and south of Philly).

I've spoken with some Apostolic Pastors in private, in different parts of the country, where I have visited and where I have lived.

I know what they say, what they tell the congregation. They're usually consistent.

They leave no room at all and honestly, they really can't-- not if they really believe what they preach.

I really don't think I am mischaracterizing Apostolics. I think you guys haven't given much thought to the fact that if the Apostolics are right in all they present, then it is really next to impossible for anyone else to be right too.

Seriously, explain how anyone else could be saved, who's not Apostolic.

If I am mischaracterizing the Apostolics, show me in scripture how others are saved without obeying Acts 2:38 as presented in Apostolic circles.

I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong.

So, allow me to ask this question again? Why do you post on an Apostolic forum when you hold so much contempt for us and our churches?

Looking for converts?

[shazeep]

i find no contempt in his post; i don't think any was intended.

[shazeep]

hey OP, you suggest hundreds of millions of bloodthirsty Muslims are slobbering for your blood; witness how many Muslims have ever caused you any harm, or even the least bit of trouble.

OP- "Well, that isn't the point. Just look at the news."

Hey Ahmed, have any Christians ever darkened your door?

Ahmed- "Lol, you are kidding, right? I'm evacuating right now, because the Israelis have pulled up all my olive trees, and my cousin got drone bombed this morning, and we are now starving. I don't know if these oppressors are Christians, but i know who finances Israel, and i know where drone bombs come from, and they are telling me that all Muslims are lost, which is why I'm a terrorist."