Not a cheap shot, I just like both sides to be honest.
We both know minister-only forums from time to time have posts on saints and issues with saints ... I've seen it, I've heard of it, we both know it happens. Be honest, don't deny it. I'm not saying it happens all the time, I'm saying it happens.
So here's a thread on AFF that deals with Pastors and suddenly it's mocked, criticized as against the word of God, etc by you and other ministers.
Stay with me...
These are the same ones, who, I'm sure have (at least once) clicked over to their closed ministers-only forum and have posted trials and tribulations from saints.
So you can say I'm taking cheap shots, you can try to insult my intelligence with quotes like ...
... doesn't hurt my feelings.
BTW, doesn't help you as a minister to use that kind of verbage, since many (esp here) view ministers as seeing themselves better than saints, etc.
I actually agree that whining - from both sides - needs to stop and shouldn't be taken online in forums with annonymous names.
There are great ministers and Pastors - a multitude more good than bad. And the same is true with saints.
That's all. I have no grievance against you or others.
One thing I don't get is all of the angst from some of the crazy things a few extreme pastors do.
I am not a church jumper. I attended only two churches over a 25 year period and only made that change because my job moved me.
However, if a pastor did some of the nutty things I read on this forum that hurts people and is definitely not biblical, out of line, and over the top. I would leave that church in a flash and find one with a godly pastor with the heart of a shepherd and priest.
When you let nutjob control freaks affect your life in a major way as some people let happen you are just as wrong as they are letting it happen or not removing yourself immediately from the situation and going to a healthy one.
Now I know many times it is not that easy as family members and friends are involved but I still feel it is wrong to give these people that much control over your life, happiness, walk with God, etc.
You will never find the perfect pastor or church but you certainly don't have to settle for submitting yourself to a train wreck.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I understand what you are saying. I can't totally agree on always leaving. Sometimes God wants us to stay, see the situation through and be a stabilizing factor when he moves a man like this.
There are times that He gives the saint direction to leave, as He knows how much they can bear.
I remember pleading with God over a situation and why He wouldn't do something. He spoke to me in prayer, "I cannot execute my wrath speedily."
I was relieved to hear that because that meant He would use that same perspective in my life as well! In that particular situation, He moved us. We couldn't wait the nine years for things to change. Others were able, but God saw that our family couldn't handle it and gave us direction to leave.
You are aware of one situation where we were directed to stay and see it through.
I adamantly feel that we MUST, at all costs and for all purposes, follow the will of God. We cannot make these decisions for ourselves.
He knows where I need to be and what he needs to put in me, change in me, etc. If I jump and run, without His direction, I will have lost learning some major things in my life to become what He had always intended for me.
I have tried it both ways, I stayed over a year past the time I should have left, submitting, and doing all things I was told and asked to do by leadership. I got the same result...it was not enough to be worthy.
The second time - I left straightway without wasting my time and energy on a control freak - God-man- who insisted on unquestioned loyalty and obedience.
I feel better with the second way of leaving because I have no history or any hurt feelings...it is over and I shook the dust off my feet, whereas, the first time when I stayed - I left part of my heart behind because I had so much vested in it and the only one who cares is God.
Blessings, Rhoni
P.S. It does no one any good, i.e., family, friends, or others to stay and be miserable and make leadership miserable wanting you to leave so they will feel more adequate/comfortable.
I believe submitting yourself to a pastor is kind of like submitting yourself to your spouse. You're committed to them, but if they become controlling and abusive, you need to find help. Sometimes a direct talk with them makes things even worse!
We all like to believe that our spouses are a perfect match for us. A good relationship takes BOTH people working hard to make things work! Sometimes, a complete break is necessary and healthy for both parties!
I am trying to understand this After 13 years of membership at my church, I developed degenerative disc disease. This condition made it difficult for me to sit or stand for prolonged periods. Because of this I would oftentimes have to leave services immediately after the preaching, therefore missing the altar call. I was secretary and C. F. O. of our church, my husband was a minister in good standing. Well one day Pastor called and said that he thought that I shouldn't continue attending. I suggested that I could maybe start coming after worship service, that way I could be there for the preaching and the altar call. All he said was he thought I shouldn't keep coming. I told no one at church about this conversation. I simply did what Pastor said. This has left my spirit broken.
To this day I do not know why I was asked to leave.
Peace, Sinatra
That pastor needs prayer and I believe sometimes God want to move us.
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