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Old 01-06-2009, 10:05 AM
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Verse 1 introduces the speaker.

The postscript reads: 1Co 16:24 My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen. <The first epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi by Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus and Timotheus.>
The "speaker"? Sorry, not following. And what's that PS from?

BTW, doesn't 1 Cor mention a previous letter, somewhere?
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Check out the 36th chapter of the book of Jeremiah. YHWH tells him to write down his prophecies so he has Baruch do it as he dictates it. This was destroyed by the king but God tells him to write it again, so again, the scribe does the writing.

From what I understand, Paul is the author of most of our New Testament but the actual writing was done by scribes under his direction.

To me, that does not detract from the inspiration of the Bible.
Is that what you meant, Pel?
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Just at a glance it seems to talk about the same things in Geneses and Exodus.
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Just at a glance it seems to talk about the same things in Geneses and Exodus.
It does, doesn't it.
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Just at a glance it seems to talk about the same things in Geneses and Exodus.
Just in a little more detail.
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where did you quote that from?

http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-en...bible-history/
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I personally believe there is only one lost book of the Bible that may hold anointed knowledge. The rest hold cultural and historical significance.
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Re: Lost Books of the Bible?

I have something that claims to be "lost books of the Bible." To me they are not of the same quality as the rest of the Bible. Also the authorship of some is doubtful. Enoch apparently did write something, but what we have today may not have been written by him.
Then there is the book of Hebrews; who really wrote it? Some say Timothy. I don't think we really know, but it does seem to have some inspiration.
I have read a lot about the Dead Sea Scrolls, but I can't find much about the actual translation of the scrolls. Some people that are in possession of some of them don't want to let other people see them. One book that I found says one of the scrolls actually gives the weight of Moses when he was born.
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The "speaker"? Sorry, not following. And what's that PS from?

BTW, doesn't 1 Cor mention a previous letter, somewhere?
Yes, 1 Corinthians 5:9 mentions an earlier letter.

1 Corinthians 1:1 is not an attribution to Paul having written the epistle, but it is Paul's assertion of authority backing up the epistle. The letter itsef was penned by four named individuals.

The post scripts on the epistles are not generally considered "inspired" but they do provide a very ancient attestation about the letter's source and clues as to its timing.
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Is that what you meant, Pel?
Yeah, but to be fair to Sam; I probably take a more "modernist" view than most. It's not really "modern" in the historical sense since it's in fact a very ancient approach to these matters; but that's what most people would call it.

I lean toward the idea that the epistles (and the Gospels for that matter) were written by "schools" rather than individual authors. Though this is not to say that there aren't some passages and even an entire book like Philemon that seem to bear a very personal touch.

Many of the instances where critics of the Bible have complained about "style" differences and such can easily be explained by the idea of a school of writers being behind the work.

Hebrews is perhaps a good example. The traditional view is that Paul wrote it. It does bear his polemic style in places but it bears no intro attributing it to Paul and the Greek is said to be quite different from his more well attested writings. It may well have been that the tradition of Pauline authorship arose from Paul putting a sort of "imprimatur" on a work of one or more of his earlier collaborators with the closing lines concerning Timothy and the saints in Italy.

I confess that I can't actually prove this theory. But it is an approach that takes into account very old traditions and reports while also accepting the serious work of later scholars and investigators. It also gives us a more dynamic understanding of the writing and canon of the Bible.

Acts shows us that the chief players in this drama were interacting, negotiating, seeking a consensus and at times parting under less than amicable terms only to be reconciled later. Their interactions were dynamic. I think a lot of the "hiccups" and bumps that we run into while reading the Bible might be better understood if we remember the friction that existed within the early Christian community and consider that the Bible's books are collaborative works. And I'm talking just about the friction within the "orthodox" community. When we consider the "heretical" groups like the Gnostic communities of a later period we see open rioting and violence emerge.
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