Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apostolic

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I still think you are looking for something not present, Mr. Quixote. j/k

If fruit of the Spirit are required for true Christianity, and one obviously thinks the apostolic concept is truth, then I see nothing out of line here. He is not saying anyone who claims fruit of the Spirit and is not apostolic is lying.

You said it better...

[berkeley]

Friends, I am only suggesting that if the source of spiritual fruit is the Holy Spirit (numerous passages, not just Gal 6), then spiritual fruit is a miraculous work of the Spirit and part of our apostolic identity. However, we typically don't speak of spiritual fruit as being miraculous or supernatural. Very seldom is spiritual fruit part of our revival rhetoric.

Well, that almost sounds like he is saying that if a person is Apostolic (the church that started on Pentecost? )... the person should demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit. What's the gripe?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Berkley

Well, that almost sounds like he is saying that if a person is Apostolic (the church that started on Pentecost? )... the person should demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit. What's the gripe?

Thank you captain obvious ... but the fruit seems to be now indelibly tied to apostolic fruit ... not the Vine's.

You confuse folks if you start adding this stuff ... the preacher may understand what he means but when you constantly drum beat ... the same mantra ... the "immature" are stunted.

Why does the everything have to be "apostolic" ... why not just speak about spiritual fruit without having to go into the "apostolic identity" and "apostolic fruit" spiel ...

That's because the culture doesn't think anyone is spiritual unless they look and represent their myopic view of "apostolic".

I can talk about the virtues of pure chocolate all day but if all I serve and value is vanilla and caramel ... those listening will never value the virtues of chocolate.

He's advocating balance by planting imbalance while expecting to sow balance ... it seems. Just talk about the Spirit walk ... to disciples.

[berkeley]

Thank you captain obvious ... but the fruit seems to be now indelibly tied to apostolic fruit ... not the Vine's.

kay..

You confuse folks if you start adding this stuff ... the preacher may understand what he means but when you constantly drum beat ... the same mantra ... the "immature" are stunted.

Gotcha. Don't disagree.

Why does the everything have to be "apostolic" ... why not just speak about spiritual fruit without having to go into the "apostolic identity" and "apostolic fruit" spiel ...

You know the answer to this.

That's because the culture doesn't think anyone is spiritual unless they look and represent their myopic view of "apostolic".

This is part of the answer.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Berkley

kay..

Gotcha. Don't disagree.
You know the answer to this.

This is part of the answer.

The fruit is the Spirit's ... but now we have to call it apostolic fruit and apostolic identity to make folks ... FEEL SPECIAL ...

or they might realize the church down the street has the same fruit ... but don't worship or look like you or exactly believe like you?

You expect them to show love and self-control yet you constantly drumbeat a judgmental and often imbalanced core value about worship and the gifts...
it lacks balance and is duplicitous

Is that clear in the polar Canadian regions ... or am I still missing YOUR POINT about YOUR INDIVIDUAL CHURCH CULTURE?

Words reflect the value of a culture .... when the fruit, other terms and every other abstract concept is shaped incessantly through this adjective .... it is constantly pointing to the paradigm .... then the focus is not on Him .... but us.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by DAII

The fruit is the Spirit's ... but now we have to call it apostolic fruit and apostolic identity to make folks ... FEEL SPECIAL ...

or they might realize the church down the street has the same fruit ... but don't worship or look like you or exactly believe like you?

You expect them to show love and self-control yet you constantly drumbeat a judgmental and often imbalanced core value about worship and the gifts...
it lacks balance and is duplicitous

Is that clear in the polar Canadian regions ... or am I still missing YOUR POINT about YOUR INDIVIDUAL CHURCH CULTURE?

Words reflect the value of a culture .... when the fruit, other terms and every other abstract concept is shaped incessantly through this adjective .... it is constantly pointing to the paradigm .... then the focus is not on Him .... but us.

The Apostles are not the root, Jesus is.......just say'n.......

Why not let the fruit identify the fruit bearer?
I've nothing against things Apostolic but the Apostles are not the source, they are branches of His root.