It wasn't a curse to God or a denial of God to those killing Him but he WAS giving into despair at that moment.
Randy, that was what Jesus said when dying. That was addressed only to God. He only spoke to the one man on the cross that was with Him and promised him paradise for his repentance.
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So, we are saved by works?
If you consider repentance a work, then your interpretation of my comment would be accurate. However, I said nothing about anything except repentance.
I seem to remember that you do not actually believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and further you have shown that you are rather ignorant of many of the passages contained in it as well as much of church history.
It is true that many of us have not had to suffer as the Apostles and Prophets. However, there have been thousands and likely even millions who have suffered and died. The accounts of their faithfulness can be found in many places. The RCC (for all of its false doctrine) gives us a clue into many of the deaths of the Apostles and the men who followed them. Foxe's Book of Martyrs is filled with those who have suffered horrible deaths for Christ, and their faithfulness. And last, we have many reports from within the last 150 years of the same.
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I am an Apostolic Pentecostal. Apostolic in teaching, and Pentecostal in experience.
If you consider repentance a work, then your interpretation of my comment would be accurate. However, I said nothing about anything except repentance.
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You also mentioned loving God more than life and more than your family, and pain, suffering, sacrifice, and death.
Two Christians are about to die. They both loved God all their lives, served Him well. But at the end, they are being tested. One "endures to the end" and passes, but the other one denies Christ and is killed before there is time to repent. (Some bad guys will kill whether their victim denies Christ or not.)
Where will their eternal rewards be?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Hell fire is not something to be afraid of, Bbyrd?
Yes, Jay, it is; and this approach to introducing salvation might even have had validity in our hedonistic days, when life was a ____ing party. but stones are coming back together now, and people in general carry huge loads of guilt. you have Cutter Christians now, Jay. People re-repenting.
While I will not be able to argue with your quotes of Scripture, or prolly any of your words, I can argue that the end result, the image produced in the mind, is not one of life, but fear of death. This is a valid message, for a Christian who hasn't quite come to life yet, and is "backsliding." But you are only going to recruit people from fear of death this way, and they will quickly fall away, because this message manages to be correct, and yet completely inaccurate in that it shifts the premise from "life, more abundantly," which your converts just trust that they will eventually see (from some guy on his knees, re-repenting?), to "prolly you might avoid hell."
When people who are preparing for Armageddon (the lost), see you preparing for a Wedding in the midst of it, unfazed, they are going to want to know how. They aren't going to care about the why that just quoting them a Scripture in response will provide them. Invite them to the Wedding, show them the fruit! They will seek the funeral they do desperately need. Ha, a little reverse psychology, even, yikes, we do everything so backward, lol, we should make that part hard to find...
If a lost soul gets a drink or some fruit from you every time they see you, they are going to demonstrate interest, big time. I have people asking now for what would have just turned them off the other way. You know how? I made it a secret, which it was to them anyway. When I lead someone to the sinner's prayer now, it is because they had to drag it out of me. Otherwise, I just keep plantin' seeds. No Overwhelmitude with stuff they aren't ready for yet.
Thoughts? And I'd appreciate a link to your response to the "all in spiritual bodies after the millenium for satan's release for a short time" thing, if you answered, ty.
Peace.
You also mentioned loving God more than life and more than your family, and pain, suffering, sacrifice, and death.
Two Christians are about to die. They both loved God all their lives, served Him well. But at the end, they are being tested. One "endures to the end" and passes, but the other one denies Christ and is killed before there is time to repent. (Some bad guys will kill whether their victim denies Christ or not.)
Hell fire is not something to be afraid of, Bbyrd?
If one just considers that hellfire is ignorance, and the lost are in hell right now, just as kind of like an operating model--lol, it doesn't have to change your eschatology or anything, you can haaang onto that just as long as you want--well then demonstrating "life more abundantly" right now to them begins to make sense. Reflecting more hell at the introduction stage to a lost person becomes ...
There will be a Wedding, and you should countenance a joyful preparation for it. Handing out fruit from your basket as you walk by, like that.
Preferably right into the mouth of the beast. I am not afraid of hell, no. : )
Understand I AM, and that becoming a grownup in the Kingdom is going to mirror becoming an adult on earth. A switch does not just somehow get thrown. Your Father cannot, or at least will not, grow you up for you in any way different than an earthly father and child.
If you consider repentance a work, then your interpretation of my comment would be accurate. However, I said nothing about anything except repentance.
I seem to remember that you do not actually believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and further you have shown that you are rather ignorant of many of the passages contained in it as well as much of church history.
It is true that many of us have not had to suffer as the Apostles and Prophets. However, there have been thousands and likely even millions who have suffered and died. The accounts of their faithfulness can be found in many places. The RCC (for all of its false doctrine) gives us a clue into many of the deaths of the Apostles and the men who followed them. Foxe's Book of Martyrs is filled with those who have suffered horrible deaths for Christ, and their faithfulness. And last, we have many reports from within the last 150 years of the same.
Prove the bolded statement. Show me and others on AFF where I'm ignorant of Biblical passages and Church History. Your quick to the draw rhetoric is an absolute farce!
I've been studying Scripture and Church History for over 30 years and I'm well prepared to battle you on this. Just say, "When".
Now, according to you, if Repentance is required, is anything else required?
um, not so sure i'd have questioned your def...
you are returned to the now because someone lied to you, so...
(ha, and the sounds our lips make when asked what "eternity" means to us are irrelevant anyway)
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