Are Spirits Composed of Living Low Level Energy?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Define "immaterial". What is the substance of "immaterial"?

Why do a growing number of paranormal specialists detect fluctuating electro magnetic fields when a "spiritual" presence is allegedly active?

You just used immaterial in a sentence of your own assertions so why do I need to define words you are using?

Aquila...I don't buy that hocus pocus stuff that "paranormal specialists" are detecting anything supernatural. I rank them right up there with Miss Cleo. And "allegedly" is the operative word.

I've watched those shows...why do you have to turn lights off to have a paranormal encounter? Are spirits afraid of lights?

[Praxeas]

Why is it so hard to just use a dictionary for some?

im·ma·te·ri·al

[im-uh-teer-ee-uhl] Show IPA
adjective 1. of no essential consequence; unimportant.
2. not pertinent; irrelevant.
3. not material; incorporeal; spiritual.

[Dedicated Mind]

the bible isn't the only book in the world that contains truth.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

the bible isn't the only book in the world that contains truth.

Right...there is Hindu Truth...if you want to learn about Hindu gods...

Which God are we speaking of? the God of the bible that asks

Isa 46:5 "To whom will you liken me and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be alike?
Isa 46:6 Those who lavish gold from the purse, and weigh out silver in the scales, hire a goldsmith, and he makes it into a god; then they fall down and worship!
Isa 46:7 They lift it to their shoulders, they carry it, they set it in its place, and it stands there; it cannot move from its place. If one cries to it, it does not answer or save him from his trouble.
Isa 46:8 "Remember this and stand firm, recall it to mind, you transgressors,
Isa 46:9 remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,'
Isa 46:11 calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it.
Isa 46:12 "Listen to me, you stubborn of heart, you who are far from righteousness:
Isa 46:13 I bring near my righteousness; it is not far off, and my salvation will not delay; I will put salvation in Zion, for Israel my glory."

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You just used immaterial in a sentence of your own assertions so why do I need to define words you are using?

Aquila...I don't buy that hocus pocus stuff that "paranormal specialists" are detecting anything supernatural. I rank them right up there with Miss Cleo. And "allegedly" is the operative word.

I've watched those shows...why do you have to turn lights off to have a paranormal encounter? Are spirits afraid of lights?

Ya, that's one of my big beefs with them. They (whoever the group is) will go and listen to the owner of a property describe all the paranormal activity -which usually occurs during the day, but then instead of starting the investigation during daytime hours the group will proceed to turn off all the lights and put their imagination into hyperactive mode and start their creepy lights out investigation.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Ya, that's one of my big beefs with them. They (whoever the group is) will go and listen to the owner of a property describe all the paranormal activity -which usually occurs during the day, then the group will proceed to turn off all the lights and put their imagination into hyperactive mode and start their creepy lights out investigation.

Oh yeah. I remember as a kid playing "Light as a feather, stiff as a board" with my cousins....for some reason it worked best at night with the lights off

[seekerman]

I thought everyone knew that monsters only hid under your bed at night.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You just used immaterial in a sentence of your own assertions so why do I need to define words you are using?

I'm just shooting the breeze here Prax. Isn't a spirit made of "spirit material"? It has to be "something". What defines what is "material"? What defines what is "immaterial"? What is something that is "immaterial" made of? Is "energy" material? Light for example... is light "material"? Our "sound" is sound "material"?

Aquila...I don't buy that hocus pocus stuff that "paranormal specialists" are detecting anything supernatural. I rank them right up there with Miss Cleo. And "allegedly" is the operative word.

True, that's why I used the word allegedly. I don't buy all the "hocus pocus" stuff either. However, I don't dismiss it all out of hand either.

I've watched those shows...why do you have to turn lights off to have a paranormal encounter? Are spirits afraid of lights?

No. Spirits aren't afraid of lighs.

However, I will try to answer your question. Let's first say that a "spirit" is indeed "immaterial". It is also invisible. But it is present. Now, it takes a considerable amount of energy to affect the natural world. For example, it doesn't take much for you and I to exert the necessary amount of energy to pick up a coffee cup or to knock on a wall with our hands. A spirit doesn't have flesh and bone. So for it to affect the physical world it needs to draw up a considerable amount energy through "will". For a spirit to materialize it must exert even more energy. As a spirit seeks to affect the physical it draws up residual energy in the environment. This is why so many report that it gets "colder" when a disembodied spirit is active and trying to affect the natural world. The frequency of artificial light and the heat it produces disrupts this process. This is one reason why those peforming seances often darken the room and provide natural lighting that doesn't produce much heat. The darker and colder the more likely a spirit will find ease in affecting the natural world. This is another reason why spirits tend to inhabit uninhabited houses, locations, or areas of a house. Typically the basement or attic. Dark and cold.

Now, that's what I've come to understand. I could be wrong. Just sharing some thoughts.

Let's not get into a debate. I'm just shooting thoughts about this out there for discussion. I don't claim that you're wrong. I'm just giving some push back because I want to know what some people, such as yourself, might think.

[Aquila]

Here's a recent testimony I have concerning an encounter with a spirit in my home. This was posted originally as part of a prayer request. I'll share it. The event has sparked a very focused tone on the spiritual in my home and studies.

I haven't really said much about a recent circumstance in my life. We have a good unsaved friend who ended up down on her luck and she and her 17 year old son started staying with a guy named Charlie. The man was a drunk and a pot head. He also was demanding $500 dollars a month for her to stay in an upstairs room in his house. Her son, Brian, is a wayward young man who has been in some trouble and is on probation. Not only was Charlie proving to be an obsticle to her son cleaning his act up, but Charlie also increased her rent to $600. She's on a fixed income and couldn't afford to save up anything to get her own place. So here she is... no money to get her own place... and watching her 17 year old son struggle. After hearing that the man wanted her son to go buy some pot I began to pray and I felt God lead me to invite her to stay in my basement. We have a few rooms down their that needed cleaned up, but I felt it would be better. I spoke to her about it and she was so relieved, yet she wanted to pay me something... so I asked for her to only give $100 a month and to help with groceries on occasion. So her and her son moved in. They pretty much keep to themselves and she helps around the house a lot. It's not been a serious burden in any way and she's saving up money to move out next month. So things are going good.

Well... last night her son and I were talking after watching Star Trek. In this episode there was an "all powerful" alien being named "Q" (some of you Treckies might be familiar with this trickster). Somehow the conversation moved from "alien entities" to God. We discussed who Jesus was, the cross, the Holy Ghost (I alluded to "The Force" in Star Wars to help Brian wrap his mind around the "power of the Holy Ghost"). Well... his mother came upstairs and asked... "How many times have you been downstairs?" Brian explained that he hadn't been downstairs because he was upstairs watchint television and talking with me. Well... she was greatly disturbed and I asked what was wrong. She explained that she was in the laundry room in the basement and saw Brian "rush" into their room. However, when she went to say something to him... no one was there. Then she said she got what she called the "spookiest feeling". I could tell she was REALLY shaken up and wasn't just telling stories. So I offered to pray with them. We prayed in the living room. A decent prayer... but nothing really "moved" in the Holy Ghost. So I offered to pray with her again downstairs. For some reason, I felt the need to grab the vegetable oil... and I'm glad I did.

Once downstairs in the basement we entered their room and began praying in a circle holding hands. It was me, my fiance Christina, this woman, and her son. While praying things were okay, again... a "decent prayer". But suddenly the lights in the basement went out. Taunya (our friend) gasped and pulled her hands over her face and started to freak out. I felt the Spirit inside me just "open up"... full bore... I began speaking in tongues and staking authority in the name of Jesus, cursing the enemy, and demanding that he leave. I honestly felt angry that something uninvited was in my home, so I might have came off really heavy in my prayer. I asked that God bless the oil and I anointed all of us and the walls of her room. After a good shout out rebuke to this spirit things settled in us and we felt more at peace. Christina, Taunya, and Brian made a bee line for the stairs and the upstairs door. I followed in tow and the moment we all cleared the doorway into the kitchen... the basement lights came back on.

Needless to say... we had some Bible study and Taunya and her son have already committed to come to church this weekend. They both wanted to sleep in the living room on the couch and chaise longue so they slept in the living room last night. I also get the feeling like she's going to move out a bit sooner.

But here's my issue. I don't feel like it "left". I feel like it threw a "temper tantrum". While I've talked about spiritual warfare in the past on this forum, it's been a few years since I've had to engage anything. I wasn't fasting and part of me was only praying to help Taunya feel better... I didn't exactly expect to hit a bee hive. So... in the coming days I'm going to dedicate some time to consecrate myself, fast, and pray. Then I'm going for an all out cleansing of the home and basement. I know things can ramp up, get troubling, and the enemy tries to divide people into arguing factions during the period leading up to a cleansing or exorcism. Most preachers I've talked to in the past either just say a prayer, dab some oil, blab a prayer, and then say "Have faith.", and go home. That's not how I was taught to do it and most don't want to do an overnight vigil to confirm and cleansing. The rest look at me like I'm crazy and give me a prayer cloth. lol So... I'm alone on this one unless Christina wishes to stand with me. So, I'll be getting a few things to secure the gates and start fasting. I might bring Christina up to speed on what we're doing. She'll either become convinced that I'm crazy... or she'll realize the reality of the Kingdom in a deeper fashion. I think the lights going off during prayer already demonstrated that Christianity isn't about playing church and talking about Heaven. We'll see.

What I'd like to have is a few people offer up some prayer for me (us) that the bonds of love that tie us all together be strengthened. That we keep in good spirits towards one another. That Taunya and Brian be protected and receive a "revelation" about who Jesus truly is. And that this thing be successfully banished and bound in chains of darkness.

I'd also like to ask that (if any of you feel led) please fast with me (even if it's just one meal) or include me in your prayers during your regular fasting. I don't know when I'll do this but it will most likely not be before the weekend at the earliest.

Thank you guys.

Chris

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm just shooting the breeze here Prax. Isn't a spirit made of "spirit material"? It has to be "something". What defines what is "material"? What defines what is "immaterial"? What is something that is "immaterial" made of? Is "energy" material? Light for example... is light "material"? Our "sound" is sound "material"?

Spirit material? It's something...something immaterial.

What is time made of? Does time exist?

No. However, I will try to answer your question. Let's first say that a "spirit" is indeed "immaterial". It is also invisible. But it is present.

Being "invisible" means unseeable. Even atoms and other sub atomic material are visible just not to the naked eye. They are small but not "invisible"

Thus spirit is immaterial

Now, it takes a considerable amount of energy to affect the natural world.

It does?

Let me ask...is God transcendent?

For example, it doesn't take much for you and I to exert the necessary amount of energy to pick up a coffee cup or to knock on a wall with our hands.

What are we defining as energy? Remember "energy" in the physics sense is not the same thing as electricity. Electricity provides "energy" for certain types of things and the sun provides energy not electricity to plants. It provides energy to solar cells that covert it to electricity.

Sugars provide energy to the human body. What do you mean by energy?

A spirit doesn't have flesh and bone. So for it to affect the physical world it needs to draw up a considerable amount energy through "will".

Says who? Where is it "drawing up" the energy from? In what form is that energy?

For a spirit to materialize it must exert even more energy.

Do spirits materialize?

As a spirit seeks to affect the physical it draws up residual energy in the environment.

Says who?

This is why so many report that it gets "colder" when a disembodied spirit is active and trying to affect the natural world.

No "they" and I don't know who "they" are but they probably report that because of an over active imagination and watching the Exorcist when they were kids

The frequency of artificial light and the heat it produces disrupts this process.

How? Why? Says who? Heat dissipates spirits?

This is one reason why those peforming seances often darken the room and provide natural lighting that doesn't produce much heat.

No the do it first of all so you can't see the tricks they employ (See the works of Harry Houdini)

Secondly because they know when it's dark the eyes can more easily play tricks on the mind and the mind is easily receptive to them

The darker and colder the more likely a spirit will find ease in affecting the natural world.

The all the spirits should move to the antartic...come on Aquila..are you serious?

Is it cold because the lights are out or is it cold because a spirit has made it self present?

This is another reason why spirits tend to inhabit uninhabited houses, locations, or areas of a house. Typically the basement or attic. Dark and cold.

They do? HAHAHA. Aquila...you sound like a cliche! Too many movies

Now, that's what I've come to understand. I could be wrong. Just sharing some thoughts.

Let's not get into a debate. I'm just shooting thoughts about this out there for discussion. I don't claim that you're wrong. I'm just giving some push back because I want to know what some people, such as yourself, might think.

Aquila I find it hard to take that seriously. Let's move on please