------The Parousia of Jesus Christ----------

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rev

"Again, you deny 1 Cor 15's changed body teaching."

Wrong again! Consistence thou art a jewel.

I don't deny it! I deny it was in 70AD.

You indeed DO deny it, because you do not believe the bodies of the living and dead saints arose and were changed in that resurrection and made immortal. You believe the body was LEFT in the grave.

You also do not understand this scripture.....

(1Co 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

That scripture is the reason WHY THE CHANGE MUST OCCUR.

1 Corinthians 15:50-53 KJV (50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


CORRUPTIBLE FLESH AND BLOOD cannot inherit Kingdom----> CHANGED by the corruptible putting on incorruption ----> IMMORTAL AND INCORRUPTIBLE BODY'S INHERITANCE OF KINGDOM

Read the context, bro. What CHANGES in your doctrine? What RESURGES? I am being honest in my questions.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You indeed DO deny it, because you do not believe the bodies of the living and dead saints arose and were changed in that resurrection and made immortal. You believe the body was LEFT in the grave.



That scripture is the reason WHY THE CHANGE MUST OCCUR.

1 Corinthians 15:50-53 KJV (50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


CORRUPTIBLE FLESH AND BLOOD cannot inherit Kingdom----> CHANGED by the corruptible putting on incorruption ----> IMMORTAL AND INCORRUPTIBLE BODY'S INHERITANCE OF KINGDOM

Read the context, bro. What CHANGES in your doctrine? What RESURGES? I am being honest in my questions.

(1Co 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

What is it about this scripture that you cannot understand?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rev

(1Co 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

What is it about this scripture that you cannot understand?

None. I understand all that passage, I believe. I just explained all of that.

Did you not read anything I just said?

Obviously you fail to see the context that BECAUSE flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom, FLESH MUCH CHANGE so it can be no more mortal and corruptible, but raised incorruptible. Read it again. Whew. CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE.

"this corruptible must put on incorruption,"

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mfblume

None. I understand all that passage, I believe. I just explained all of that.

Did you not read anything I just said?

Obviously you fail to see the context that BECAUSE flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom, FLESH MUCH CHANGE so it can be no more mortal and corruptible, but raised incorruptible. Read it again. Whew. CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE.

"this corruptible must put on incorruption,"

What is the kingdom of God?

[mfblume]

Rev, we're going in circles. I showed you that corruption does not inherit incorruption, and that is the reason corruption MUST PUT ON incorruption. I did this to show that Paul preached that the mortal body CHANGES into an immortal one. This disproves the idea the body is left in the grave and a new body is given instead.

Why will you not deal with that instead of asking OTHER questions? First things first. Explain to me how corruption cannot inherit incorruption, but corruption MUST PUT ON incorruption.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Rev, we're going in circles. I showed you that corruption does not inherit incorruption, and that is the reason corruption MUST PUT ON incorruption. I did this to show that Paul preached that the mortal body CHANGES into an immortal one. This disproves the idea the body is left in the grave and a new body is given instead.

Why will you not deal with that instead of asking OTHER questions? First things first. Explain to me how corruption cannot inherit incorruption, but corruption MUST PUT ON incorruption.

No we are not going in circles! You are going in circles!

Here was the question! What is the kingdom of God?

Here is the answer.....

(Rom 14:17) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

and

(Luk 17:21) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rev

No we are not going in circles! You are going in circles!

You are jumping from one topic to another when you feel you cannot deal with an issue. You asked me to stay on topic. Why don't you? Why does the bible say the corruptible must PUT ON incorruption if it also says corruption does not inherit incorruption?

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You are jumping from one topic to another when you feel you cannot deal with an issue. You asked me to stay on topic. Why don't you? Why does the bible say the corruptible must PUT ON incorruption if it also says corruption does not inherit incorruption?

I asked if you understood the scripture!

(1Co 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

You said you do. I say you don't, because you don't know what the kingdom of God is!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rev

I asked if you understood the scripture!

(1Co 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

You said you do. I say you don't, because you don't know what the kingdom of God is!

I have an answer about that. But you did not answer the issues regarding the corruptible. You implied I am wrong because you quoted corruption cannot inherit incorruption. So when I showed you that corruption PUTS ON incorruption, you suddenly changed subjects. Why? Is this becoming a habit? Please deal with this in an organized manner and stop jumping topics,.

[mfblume]

Let me answer you although you have not shown the same courtesy to me:

1 Corinthians 15:48-53 KJV (48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. (49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

The above passage is interpreted by yourself as having been fulfilled in AD70. When we speak that this cannot be the case, since there was not a physical change of bodies for those in graves and those living in AD70, you respond about "the Kingdom."

In verse 50 we read that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. You respond quoting the following verse, to show that this cannot be speaking about a physical body.

Romans 14:17 KJV For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

But this poses a problem for you. If this was not fulfilled until AD70, then what about the saints of God before AD70? Were they not in the kingdom of God? If your so-called "resurrection" of AD70 fulfilled the opportunity for them to enter the Kingdom of God, and you use Romans 14:17 to show what that kingdom is, then nobody experience Romans 14:17 before AD70. And that is folly.

The truth of the matter is that the soul and spirit of a believe inherits the Kingdom of God upon salvation. This is how we experience Romans 14:17. Everyone in the church before AD70 entered the Kingdom.

John 3:5 KJV Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

We enter the Kingdom by new birth. Everyone born again before AD70 entered the Kingdom. But the reason 1 Cor 15:50 speaks of flesh and blood not inheriting the kingdom is because OUR BODY is the one aspect of our existence that is not part of the kingdom! Paul assured us that this shall change!

Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, Paul said we shall all be changed in BODY. The CHANGE will allow our BODIES to "catch up" with our souls and spirits and inherit the Kingdom of God. This will occur by the corruptible body putting on incorruption. Since corruption cannot inherit incorruption, the corruptible body is changed and corruption PUTS ON incorruption. "Putting on" is as different from "inheriting" as much as an unchanged body cannot enter what a changed body can enter.

The context of the passage speaking of the body in this chapter says this, which tells us that there is a physical aspect to the Kingdom of God, though never in this world.

1 Corinthians 15:40 KJV (40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

1 Corinthians 15:44 KJV (44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

There is a celestial state involved here. Terrestrial bodies cannot dwell in a celestial state. Hence, a CHANGE is required.

As it stands, we are in the kingdom of God. Soul and spirit have experienced entrance therein, otherwise John 3:5 is error. But the BODY must change as the soul and spirit changed.