Which translation do you enjoy? - Page 6

coksiw · #1 03-22-2019, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I'm not sure what you are asking here. The same word can have slight changes in its meaning depending on context and usage. Thus, krino has been translated as:

Properly to distinguish, that is, decide (mentally or judicially); by implication to try, condemn, punish: - avenge, conclude, condemn, ........, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.

So simply picking one word in English to represent all occurrences of a particular Greek word would actually hinder understanding, not promote it. Hope that makes sense?

The word translated as "appraise" NASB is ἀνακρίνω, and if I see the word repeated three times and on purpose being used to make the reader understand by contrasting then why do you think they should be translated differently?

Isn't it clear that the apostle is saying "they are XXXXXed but the spiritual XXXXXX all things and he is not "XXXXXXed by anyone."? Don't you think you should be using the same word if they are used in the same block? You would lose the contrast the writer is trying to express otherwise.

In fact that word in the KJV is translated in the following manner: examine (6x), judge (6x), ask question (2x), search (1x), discern (1x). Guess what, that only single time discern is used is on that passage.

The Strong definition of the word is not 100% the definition you posted: ἀνακρίνω anakrínō, an-ak-ree'-no; from G303 and G2919; properly, to scrutinize, i.e. (by implication) investigate, interrogate, determine:—ask, question, discern, examine, judge, search.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...gs=G350&t=NASB

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I am always mildly surprised when people DON'T prefer a better written piece of literature. But then, comparing the sales of Harry Potter to say Ovid's Metamorphoses, I guess I shouldn't be?

Are you saying it because of me? When it comes to the Bible, I prefer the utility value of understanding the message from the original Greek and Hebrew, (because you know, it is the Word of God) than the literacy beauty an English translator put into it that didn't have in the first place, because you know, the Bible wasn't written in English. Anyway, just preferences, I guess. I would rather be "elevated" as you said by the understanding of the word of God than by the beauty of an English text that hides techniques the original writers used to express an idea.

The word translated as "appraise" is the same word that was used to describe examining, not necessarily to determine if it is right or wrong as you said. Probably "examine" would've been better.

Regarding Accept and Receive, well, it depends how you look at it. I accept a Job, vs I receive a Job. Accept implies my willingness to take it.

You also say that "to receive" implies more and "to know" implies more, but do you really know if those "more meanings" you are referring to is what the greek was actually meaning? I think you are assuming before hand the KJV perfectly uses the right words in all instances, because you don't see you starting from the greek text itself.

Anyways, I should've kept the conversation at a higher level because arguing about these details is a never ending thing. I really enjoy when translations keep the parallelism and contrasting the Bible writers used to express something. I was hoping somebody else would also enjoy it, but oh well.

Evang.Benincasa · #2 03-22-2019, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ehud

Forgive me for showing my ignorance, but was there no other word that could have been used to make the distinctions you have mentioned? Or is the word used in the Greek so broad that the original recipients would simply have understood the distinction based on context? I ask because I must admit that if I saw the same word used multiple times in such a short span, my instinct would be to say they meant the same thing each time.

Amen, what translators are looking for is more an interpretation. Meaning that the word in Greek to English they need to know how that Greek word was used in the time of the 1st century. Not how it is understood ecclesiastically through the centuries till now. But how did the Romans and Judeans understand those Greek words. The KJV translators worked towards that understanding the best they could. Not looking for the ecclesiastical meaning but how the word was originally used by the people of the time of the Gospel.

Shu Iesu Kirisuto no na ni yotte!

Ehud · #3 03-23-2019, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Amen, what translators are looking for is more an interpretation. Meaning that the word in Greek to English they need to know how that Greek word was used in the time of the 1st century. Not how it is understood ecclesiastically through the centuries till now. But how did the Romans and Judeans understand those Greek words. The KJV translators worked towards that understanding the best they could. Not looking for the ecclesiastical meaning but how the word was originally used by the people of the time of the Gospel.

Shu Iesu Kirisuto no na ni yotte!

My googling tells me that is in Colossians? Am I close?

And that is exactly how I feel. I want to know what was actually being said in those letters. Deciding how it applies to my life 2000 years later can be a matter of further study, but when I pick up an English translation, I want to to know that it was translated in a way that expresses original intent, not someone else's view on its application. I can review other sources for that sort of commentary.