I thought apostolics believed Jesus is the Father?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Hmm. So reading some of the responses it seems God is not happy with me, because I've been giving Jesus too much glory.

Who'd a thunk it? I guess I need to repent for thinking too highly of my Saviour, JESUS CHRIST...

It is never a mistake giving glory to your Savior, Jesus Christ. It is the will of God that we do so, since He elevated Christ in and into glory, and gave Him a name that is above every other name.

"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

[Servant's <3]

Esaias is being melodramatic.

[houston]

OP's that don't agree on "oneness" doctrine. Hilarious.

[n david]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

That is an excellent explanation for the many forms of the name of Jesus, in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and English. I agree with it all.

None of which, however, means the name Jesus corresponds to the Hebrew word in Isaiah 12:2 for salvation.

I disagree. All I've seen of this in the Hebrew points back to Yeshua/Jesus. But I'm not going to argue with you over this.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Servant's <3

Esaias is being melodramatic.

I think I'm understating the obvious.

There is a spirit that doesn't want people to exalt Jesus TOO much.

And it ain't the Holy Spirit.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I Corinthians 15:28 "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

When Jesus is finished with the purpose of being incarnated, He will no longer be known as the son (God manifest in the flesh), but will be known as God Himself.

Glad SOMEBODY here is apostolic.

[Servant's <3]

Oh good grief....

It is impossible to glorify Jesus too much. The very idea is absurd. Jesus is God, period. God subjected to the same rules as us, but still God undeniably. As I believe it was mfblume said if he isn't God then he is JUST a man, but he isn't because he is God.

I don't have to be distinctive when I pray whether I am talking to God or Jesus because they are the same person. To say otherwise is to create separation betwixt Jesus and God when there shouldn't be any.

Because Jesus was subjected to the same rules as humanity he could sacrifice himself. If he wasn't subjected to the same rules as humanity then he could not die, there would then be no sacrifice hence no blood that cleanses us from sin.

If people desire to think otherwise, who cares. Is it right to ridicule them? Let the trinitarians or people who think Jesus isn't God think what they want. We will know in the hereafter that Jesus is God.

[Esaias]

Ah but according to some folks here it IS possible to glorify Jesus "too much." There are apparently people calling themselves Oneness Pentecostals who believe Jesus is not God. If we then glorify Jesus as Father, as our Great God and Saviour, but he really isn't, he's just a man used by God, then we are guilty of the sin of idolatry, and having another God besides YHVH.

This is not an issue that we can rightly say "oh, who cares". The identity of Jesus Christ is THE ISSUE facing mankind. There is no other issue. Everything about man's relationship to God, as saints or sinners, is tied into " Who is Jesus?"

[houston]

Who stated that Jesus was just a man being used by God?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Jesus Christ can be God without being the Father.