The thief was not in a day when atonement had already been made. Atonement was not made until after Christ arose the third day and ascended to the holiest in Heaven.
At any rate, Jesus told the disciples at least 43 days after the thief died to BEGIN preaching repentance and remission of sins in His name at Jerusalem after the received the power from on high, which is Spirit Baptism. And they BEGAN preaching that message on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:38. Why preach something else?
Luk 24:45-49 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: (47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning(It had never before been preached, but would be preached after Acts 2)at Jerusalem. (48) And ye are witnesses of these things. (49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Act 2:36-39Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (37) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? (38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
I just preached this Sunday night and we had a wonderful baptism in Jesus' name! ON RESURRECTION SUNDAY! Woohoo!
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
What "old covenant"? That thief didn't even need an animal sacrifice for his salvation! What what that all about?
The point is that the thief was not under the new covenant for Christ had not even made atonement yet.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
The thief was not in a day when atonement had already been made. Atonement was not made until after Christ arose the third day and ascended to the holiest in Heaven.
At any rate, Jesus told the disciples at least 43 days after the thief died to BEGIN preaching repentance and remission of sins in His name at Jerusalem after the received the power from on high, which is Spirit Baptism. And they BEGAN preaching that message on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:38. Why preach something else?
Actually, forgiveness and remission of sins was done prior to the Acts account, or the 43-day timetable. Secondly, we agree that the atonement was eschatologically significant, and that the access through Jesus after his resurrection was established. At the same time, it is undeniable to reject that the thief on the cross was granted salvation by faith. Of course, justification by faith is the whole of our salvation-history, going back to Genesis.
Is it harder to be saved now, under the new covenant?
Yup. You've gotta pull yourself down from the cross before you bleed to death or die of exposure and exhaustion, drag your limp and broken body into the city, ask what day it is - just to make certain that you CAN be saved, find an Apostolic minister (but NOT one of those Septuagint quoting First Century apostles), convince him that you really really are sorry for your sins and that you're not just doing this to date his 40 year old daughter, be baptized by complete immersion and hope that the old boy says the "magic words" - and then spring out of the water speaking some dialect of Medo-Parthia that will be recognized as "tongues" by some one close by, and then start wearing long sleeved shirts and plain oxford dress shoes WITHOUT the waxed tipped shoe laces.
You must scrape off all facial hair including guessing just exactly what this preacher believes to be the "allowable" length of a sideburn and not confuse that "standard" with another one in another town, you must pay 10% of your GROSS income as a tithe directly to the preacher - cash will help him avoid the tithe that he owes but never pays and get him around the IRS, then you must show up 4 times a week at the church's regular services (early for prayer and stay late for altar work), sing in the choir, teach Sunday School, drive a bus, mow the grass and bully the Baptists and the Wal-Mart. Then, and only then can you hope to maybe be saved. It's all still pretty iffy, though.
Yup. You've gotta pull yourself down from the cross before you bleed to death or die of exposure and exhaustion, drag your limp and broken body into the city, ask what day it is - just to make certain that you CAN be save, find an Apostolic minister (but NOT one of those Septuagint quoting First Century apostles), convince him that you really really are sorry for your sins and that you're not just doing this to date his 40 year old daughter, be baptized by complete immersion and hope that the old boy says the "magic words" - and then spring out of the water speaking some dialect of Medo-Parthia that will be recognized as "tongues" by some one close by, and then start wearing long sleeved shirts and plain oxford dress shoes WITHOUT the waxed tipped shoe laces.
You must scrape off all facial hair including guessing just exactly what this preacher believes to be the "allowable" length of a sideburn and not confuse that "standard" with another one in another town, you must pay 10% of your GROSS income as a tithe directly to the preacher - cash will help him avoid the tithe that he owes but never pays and get him around the IRS, then you must show up 4 times a week at the church's regular services (early for prayer and stay late for altar work), sing in the choir, teach Sunday School, drive a bus, mow the grass and bully the Baptists and the Wal-Mart. Then, and only then can you hope to maybe be saved. It's all still pretty iffy, though.
Wow! Well said. More truth than fiction! But, you did forget to mention that if and when you might consider yourself saved, you would then wake up each day, "scared to death you might still go to hell!"
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Actually, forgiveness and remission of sins was done prior to the Acts account, or the 43-day timetable.
Maybe a shadow of it, but other than that, no.
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Secondly, we agree that the atonement was eschatologically significant, and that the access through Jesus after his resurrection was established. At the same time, it is undeniable to reject that the thief on the cross was granted salvation by faith. Of course, justification by faith is the whole of our salvation-history, going back to Genesis.
One cannot be baptized into His death until after Christ had died and resurrected. All before the cross are saved by the same blood of Christ that occurred in time and space two thousand years ago. All had to show a faith that worked by way of a shadow dependent upon the cross in order to be saved by the atonement once it occurred. Such a shadow corresponds to our repentance and water baptism.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Is it harder to be saved now, under the new covenant?
No.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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