I thought apostolics believed Jesus is the Father?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus Christ can be God without being the Father.

Enlighten us please.

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus Christ can be God without being the Father.

anything can be. But what is?

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Originally Posted by houston

Who stated that Jesus was just a man being used by God?

Votivesoul is one, but he can speak for himself.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus Christ can be God without being the Father.

nice. this is as specific as one needs to be, imo.

[randyabrown]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus Christ can be God without being the Father.

If you have more than one God or a God that's a group of people. Of course this goes against Scripture:

Jesus is the Everlasting Father - Isaiah 9:6

We only have 1 Father - Malachi 2:10, Ephesians 4:6

All the fullness of the godhead is in Jesus, which has to include the Father - Colossians 2:9

Jesus said he was the Father - John 8:19, John 8:24

Jesus is the I Am - Exodus 3:14

When you see Jesus you see the one that sent him - John 12:45, John 14:7

Jesus said the Father was in him - John 10:38

Jesus said he was the Father of over-comers - Revelation 21:6-7

Jesus said he would not leave us fatherless but that he would come to us - John 14:18

Jesus said he would send the Comforter - John 16:7

- The Father would send the Comforter - John 14:26

Jesus said he would draw men to God - John 12:32

- The Father draws us - John 6:44

Jesus will raise believers in the last day - John 6:40

- the Father gives life and raises us - Romans 4:17; I Corinthians 6:14

Jesus said he would answer prayer - John 14:14

- the Father is the one that answers prayer - John 16:23

Jesus is the one that sanctifies - Ephesians 5:26

- the Father is the one that sanctifies - Jude 1

Jesus was manifested to take away sin - John 1:29-31

- the Father is the one that was manifested to take away sin - I John 3:1-6

Tradition is irrelevant. All that matters is what the Scriptures say.

[J.A. Perez]

I believe Jesus clearly said, and I am paraphrasing.

If you do not believe I am the Father you will die in your sins.

John 8:19-24
Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yetcome.

Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Verse 24.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

[houston]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

I believe Jesus clearly said, and I am paraphrasing.

If you do not believe I am the Father you will die in your sins.

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by houston

With John 8:24 he gives the answer to the Pharisees question in verse 19.

"Where is thy Father?"

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

With John 8:24 he gives the answer to the Pharisees question in verse 19.

"Where is thy Father?"

of course, there are at least as many passages where Christ separates Himself from the Father--but what the heck.