What Happened to AFF?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I'm pretty sure Daniel believes the baptism of the Holy Ghost is evidenced by tongues. PCI MEN BELIEVE THE SAME THING.

Then what Spirit do they confess to receive at faith?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by jaamez

I'm in agreement here.

I know that I can rub people the wrong way sometimes by some of the things I say that either forces people to think or causes a knee-jerk response. I hope I'm not on anyone's ignore list, but I'm sure I am and I'm okay with that.

I don't understand why some post here at all. One in particular that has become increasingly disrespectful of the pentecostal faith was the most recent (and only user) to be put on my ignore list. Why come here if your only purpose is to mock and ridicule - especially when you NEVER post scripture to support your view and never get into any intelligent discussion with Berean-style scholarship?

I've taken some beatings for my stances on a few things from some, but at least we were engaging each other and talking from scripture. Everyone has a choice whether or not to participate in a discussion, but if you're going to participate you should behave like an intelligent adult. Build support for your view with scriptural context - not with a strawman, not with circular reasoning, and not with ad hominem attacks.

I will refer to D4T's post, though, and state that I'm somewhat in agreement there as well. I don't consider myself a lib, as much as I refer to myself as a "recovering ultra-con"... trying to avoid the pendulum effect. The problem that I'll echo from D4T is when people with a "more liberal" stance on standards (as defined by codified conduct, dress, etc.) are broadbrushed as backslidden, apostate, etc. by the right and extreme right, that tends to stifle a lot of the meatier conversations. I'm all for a good biblical, adult conversation with a conservative and can respect his or her views. The problem is that often little respect is shown in either direction. So... where did all those people go that we kicked in the teeth? Where do you think?

Reading this post reminds me of an observation of mine.

I have found that when people leave a con/ultra con church they will, almost always, go through a personal swinging from side to side. There has been direct thumbs on rule and now they are beginning a brand new process of finding out what they really believe for themselves.

I think more people would end up more moderate in the end if they didn't find the only place they can move freely to be in fellowship with those of liberal leanings.

What do we expect the outcome will be when someone begins this pendulum process of forming their own convictions if they are only met with being pushed away by those with a conservative leaning?

When they were in a formative period of their Christian journey they were shunned by those with conservative leanings and then many say "Yeah... I knew that is where they would end up. They just didn't have it in them"

We can see do much wrong in them but are completely oblivious to our own fault in the matter.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I think more people would end up more moderate in the end if they didn't find the only place they can move freely to be in fellowship with those of liberal leanings.

This is so, so, so true.

[Tina]

43 members 86 guests viewing.

Who says we don't have traffic?

Haven't checked to see how many of those guests are spiders......

[Esther]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Because all the tongues were in the bible was a foreign language...And I really do think the tongues we her in our churches today are not the same as they were 2000+ years ago plus there are no more apostoles around that are able to lay hands on one to give them the holyghost with the evidence of tongues...LOL

You think the apostles gave the Holy Ghost to people? First mistake.

Where you there 2000 years ago to affirm that the language today is different or just your opinion?

And how did you determine there are no more Apostles today?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Tina

43 members 86 guests viewing.

Who says we don't have traffic?

Haven't checked to see how many of those guests are spiders......

They are probably athiest spiders. Ban them.

[KWSS1976]

Believe what ya want it's a free country...

[EA]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Believe what ya want it's a free country...

Sure about that?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Reading this post reminds me of an observation of mine.

I have found that when people leave a con/ultra con church they will, almost always, go through a personal swinging from side to side. There has been direct thumbs on rule and now they are beginning a brand new process of finding out what they really believe for themselves.

I think more people would end up more moderate in the end if they didn't find the only place they can move freely to be in fellowship with those of liberal leanings.

What do we expect the outcome will be when someone begins this pendulum process of forming their own convictions if they are only met with being pushed away by those with a conservative leaning?

When they were in a formative period of their Christian journey they were shunned by those with conservative leanings and then many say "Yeah... I knew that is where they would end up. They just didn't have it in them"

We can see do much wrong in them but are completely oblivious to our own fault in the matter.

If people come to this forum and are in that "pendulum process", I think they should hear the firm, strong opinions from both sides of the aisle. The conservative values are just as valid as the liberal ones. I don't believe very many people on the FCF were shunned for having liberal leanings or for questioning--they were made to assert their reasons and defend their beliefs, which is actually good for the whole process. How can I believe anything if I can't defend it or explain it? Being asked to assert, explain or defend a belief forces me to clarify my own thinking on a matter.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

What has happened to AFF?

I remember when it was a vibrant, fun-filled forum. I remember passionate arguments and crazy amounts of traffic. There was a time that, if you missed a day, you would find threads you had been following three or four pages back because so many new topics had been posted.

So....what happened?

Now, I can be gone a week, come back, and find that the same old topics are still on the front page.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I will tell you why it's just not as interesting to me as it used to be. It has nothing to do with ownership or admins. The ownership and admins here are great folks.

Here's a few reasons why AFF is just not as interesting.

1. Start a new thread about a serious PENTECOSTAL topic, and within two or three posts you have a few confirmed atheists, universalists or confirmed homosexual agendists posting ignorant, profane crud. These dolts ruin any potentially good discussion.

2. The forum has become too political. I LOVE politics, but that's pretty much all AFF is any longer. Coadie and Esther pretty much think Obama is the antichrist, and on any given day have about ten threads going to prove it. It gets old. Most of it is just recycled hate speech they've received from some anonymous emailer.

3. There is no common bond here. AFF is not an AFF. We are not true to our identity. Many, many, people here are ADMITTED backsliders, unbelievers or never have had any real contact with Pentecost. I'm not talking about differences in standards. I'm saying these folks don't know squat about Pentecost.

There you have it.

Now, FIX IT people!

First of all get your facts straight, Esther never said she thought Obama was the anti-christ. She said she believes he is the worst thing for America. She also said she believes God allowed him to win for His own purpose. Doesn't mean I like it.

But as Ferd said politics has been about the only interesting threads, and that is losing its appeal as well.

Plus I am super busy right now and just don't have time to post or read, but at a running glance here and there.