Dialogue with a Muslim

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The whole chat with a Muslim yesterday in an online live discussion.

http://www.ask-a-muslim.com

S.Sayyed has joined the chat.

S.Sayyed (09:32:39) : Welcome to Edialogue.org. May peace be on you. This is an international site for Islam information here we are telling non-Muslim about Islam

Mike (09:33:00) : Hi.

S.Sayyed (09:33:04) : hello

S.Sayyed (09:33:15) : can I tell you about Islam?

Mike (09:33:54) : I am wondering what Muslims believe about the state of a Christian soul. Is a Christian lost if they only abide by the Bible? Or is such a person in need of conversion to not be considered lost?

Mike (09:34:39) : Just seeking information

S.Sayyed (09:35:51) : we Muslims believe that jesus Christ is the Mightiest messenger of God Almighty

S.Sayyed (09:36:07) : whereas Christians believe that he is God

Mike (09:36:20) : Yes but you do not believe He is the Son of God. So, if believe He is the Son of God, then how is my soul?

S.Sayyed (09:36:40) : here is the parting of ways in belief between muslims and Christians

Mike (09:36:54) : I agree.

S.Sayyed (09:36:54) : no how he can be the son of God

Mike (09:37:08) : By the way I deny trinity

Mike (09:37:30) : I just ask if I believe He is the son of God then what is the state of my soul?

S.Sayyed (09:37:32) : How can God almighty have human qualities ??

Mike (09:37:55) : God does not have human qualities.

S.Sayyed (09:38:00) : that's what

S.Sayyed (09:38:13) : then how can jesus be the son of God

Mike (09:38:33) : First, though, please answer my question. If I believe Jesus is Son of God then what is the state of my soul? Thank you.

S.Sayyed (09:38:29) : He is the messenger of God not the son

Mike (09:39:00) : If I believe Jesus is Son of God then what is the state of my osul? Thank you.

S.Sayyed (09:39:15) : you are wrong , at it according to Islam you are doing the biggest crime

Mike (09:39:34) : So that means I am lost?

S.Sayyed (09:39:52) : yes , but you can still seek the right path

Mike (09:40:08) : Okay just wanted to know your answer for that.

S.Sayyed (09:40:09) : by accepting the right path by accepting Islam

S.Sayyed (09:40:24) : so, can I tell you about Islam?

Mike (09:40:32) : Now, here is how I believe Jesus is God but also man... There is not trinity.

Mike (09:40:43) : God manifested in flesh. God did not become flesh, but manifested in it alone.

S.Sayyed (09:41:17) : ok I agree to you for the sake of conversation

Mike (09:41:37) : It's His person took upon himself human nature. But his divine nature never changed. Deity remained deity without any humanity. But God took upon Himself an additional nature

Mike (09:41:47) : It's good to discuss peacefully.

S.Sayyed (09:41:44) : but where did jesus said that he is " God "

S.Sayyed (09:41:55) : yes

Mike (09:42:10) : He said it here:

Rev 1:11-13 KJV Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (12) And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; (13) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Mike (09:42:48) : Rev 1:8 KJV I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Mike (09:42:59) : Hew called himself the almighty here

Mike (09:43:52) : he also said it here:

Rev 21:6-7 KJV And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. (7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Mike (09:44:29) : See verse 7 above

S.Sayyed (09:45:00) : wait let me quote you a verse

S.Sayyed (09:46:11) : james 1 v 13 , mark 12 and 13

Mike (09:46:46) : Ok I will paste it here.

S.Sayyed (09:46:54) : in james it says that God cannot be tempted whereas in mark it's said that jesus was tempted

Mike (09:47:03) : Jas 1:13 KJV Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

S.Sayyed (09:47:16) : then how can jesus can be Omega and Alpha ?

S.Sayyed (09:47:31) : jesus be Omega and Alpha

S.Sayyed (09:47:33) : ??

Mike (09:47:43) : Yes, that is because Jesus had two natures. Divine and human. the humanity alone died and was tempted, etc. God cannot die or be tempted.

S.Sayyed (09:48:31) : how can this be possible ?

Mike (09:48:52) : Jesus said He is Alpha and Omega because God's person (one not three) manifested in flesh. And that manifestation involved no human already in existence. God manifested in flesh and that individual in flesh was fully human while His person simultaneously filled the universe as God.

S.Sayyed (09:48:56) : in one verse he is stating that he is tempted while in other he is telling he was tempted of God

Mike (09:49:23) : God was able to manifest in flesh and take on human nature, but the human nature and the divine nature cannot be confused.

Mike (09:49:31) : The humanity was tempted, Not his deity.

Mike (09:50:10) : The humanity even had to pray.

Mike (09:50:43) : Do you believe God is unable to manifest in flesh as a man with distinct human nature that is not confused with his deity? If not, why can God not do that?

S.Sayyed (09:51:05) : the verses that you are giving is it from the bible , if it is then tell me when did jesus said that this is the book of God or when did he said that Christianity is the right religion ??

Mike (09:52:13) : Yes it is.

Mike (09:52:24) : Revelation is the last book of the New Testament.

S.Sayyed (09:52:45) : In the whole "Bible" the word "Christianity" and the word Bible doesn't exist .

Mike (09:53:37) : Jesus said this:

Joh 17:20 KJV Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

THEIR WORD means the Apostles' word. John wrote Revelation and John was an apostle who also wrote the Gospel of John. Jesus put the seal of approval on all the apostles would teach us to believe. We believe on Him THROUGH their word.

Mike (09:55:09) : Do you believe Jesus was correct in John 17:20?

S.Sayyed (09:55:02) : Bible was written after jesus Christ by 40 different authors who are unknown ,

S.Sayyed (09:55:58) : the book that he preached was Injeel (Gospel)

S.Sayyed (09:56:11) : not Bible

Mike (09:56:30) : John was written by John. It was always known so. And Jesus said everyone must believe on Him through the apostles' word. I can say the Q'uran is wrong, too. But that is just empty claims. If part of JOHN is wrong, like 17:20, then what else is wrong? And what can you say about anything the New Testament said? You quoted me the New Testament yourself.

Mike (09:56:55) : John wrote the gospel of John, the three epistles of John and the book of Revelation.

Mike (09:57:24) : The gospel of John said these words:

Joh 17:20 KJV Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Mike (09:57:36) : Jesus is speaking in that verse.

S.Sayyed (09:57:45) : john 5 v 30

Mike (09:57:54) : He prayed for everyone who would believe on Him through the apostles' word.

Mike (09:58:08) : Joh 5:30 KJV I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Amen!

S.Sayyed (09:58:34) : in this verse he states that he is just the messenger and he says whatever the god makes him says

Mike (09:58:43) : The Father was IN HIM.

Joh 14:10 KJV Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

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