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Old 11-07-2008, 08:43 PM
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Arizona Boy, 8, Accused of Killing 2

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Old 11-07-2008, 08:49 PM
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Re: Arizona Boy, 8, Accused of Killing 2

My first question would be why would an 8 year old have access to a gun and ammunition. My second question would be was the child abused and seeking a way out, and saw that as the only solution.

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Old 11-07-2008, 08:55 PM
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Re: Arizona Boy, 8, Accused of Killing 2

should this child be charged with premeditated murder?

if yes, then what's stop the state from charging him as an adult?

should he be charged as an adult?
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:00 PM
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Re: Arizona Boy, 8, Accused of Killing 2

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should this child be charged with premeditated murder?

if yes, then what's stop the state from charging him as an adult?

should he be charged as an adult?
There are laws pertaining to how young one can be certified as an adult, premeditation has nothing to do with it.

The only exception I am aware of is perjury which CAN be tried in adult court regardless of age.
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Re: Arizona Boy, 8, Accused of Killing 2

My question is "Why did he do it?' I have an 8 year old grandson. His grandfather has taken him hunting and he can use a shotgun. So I can understand how the boy may have had access to a gun and be able to shoot it but why would he? I think that there is more to this than a boy picking up a gun and shooting. If it was premeditated then there was a reason.
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:19 PM
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My question is "Why did he do it?' I have an 8 year old grandson. His grandfather has taken him hunting and he can use a shotgun. So I can understand how the boy may have had access to a gun and be able to shoot it but why would he? I think that there is more to this than a boy picking up a gun and shooting. If it was premeditated then there was a reason.
Many kids have been taken hunting and can use a gun. My son will be taught to hunt if he wants to learn. At this stage in his life, he's an animal lover and I don't see him wanting to hunt to kill an animal anytime soon.

Guns in our house are in a locked gun rack and the ammunition is locked up in a different location. My children do not know where the keys are. It's just a safety thing. I would like to think that most households are the same.

This story leaves many questions in my mind. Many of which we would probably never know the answers.
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My question is "Why did he do it?' I have an 8 year old grandson. His grandfather has taken him hunting and he can use a shotgun. So I can understand how the boy may have had access to a gun and be able to shoot it but why would he? I think that there is more to this than a boy picking up a gun and shooting. If it was premeditated then there was a reason.
I think that the "whys" may be different for children of that age than for the average adult. Children at that age usually do not have a complete grasp on the severity of their actions and the finality of shooting a gun for real as opposed to at a video screen. Premeditation and reasoning are relative terms particularly at his age...which is precisely why I don't think there's any chance he will be tried as an adult regardless of the particulars.
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I am having real difficulty grasping this story. When I read it this morning on AZ Central they had no information. Now I read this and they still have no information for us. I would love to understand why the boy shot his father and another man.
I was 8 once, I am raising 4 boys, all of them over the age of 8. I can not imagine why an 8 year old would kill two adult males. Especially when one is his father.
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:54 PM
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I am having real difficulty grasping this story. When I read it this morning on AZ Central they had no information. Now I read this and they still have no information for us. I would love to understand why the boy shot his father and another man.
I was 8 once, I am raising 4 boys, all of them over the age of 8. I can not imagine why an 8 year old would kill two adult males. Especially when one is his father.


Violent images on television, as well as in the movies, have inspired people to set spouses on fire in their beds, lie down in the middle of highways, extort money by placing bombs in airplanes, rape, steal, murder, and commit numerous other shootings and assaults. Over 1,000 case studies have proven that media violence can have negative affects on children as well.

It increases aggressiveness and anti-social behavior, makes them less sensitive to violence and to victims of violence, and it increases their appetite for more violence in entertainment and in real life. Media violence is especially damaging to young children, age 8 and under because they cannot tell the difference between real life and fantasy. Violent images on television and in movies may seem real to these children and sometimes viewing these images can even traumatize them.


Despite the negative effects media violence has been known to generate, no drastic changes have been made to deal with this problem that seems to be getting worse. We, as a whole, have glorified this violence so much that movies such as “Natural Born Killers” and television shows such as “Mighty Morphin Power Rangers” are viewed as normal, everyday entertainment. It’s even rare now to find a children’s cartoon that does not depict some type of violence or comedic aggression. What we do not realize though, is that it is the children that are ending up with problems. Unlike most rational, educated adults, many children are gradually beginning to accept violence as a way to solve problems and are imitating what they observe on television. These
children do not understand that the violence is shown strictly because the public wants to see it. They cannot grasp the meaning of “ratings” and “entertainment” as well as adults can. All they know is, “if the TV portrays violence as cool, then it must be cool!”

The above is from this link:
http://www.echeat.com/essay.php?t=25592

.........How sad that this is what is filling up much of the time of our precious children.
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Re: Arizona Boy, 8, Accused of Killing 2

I understand what is being said in that article. I still do not think that is what would cause and 8 year old to kill his father. Maybe it helped him to feel it was his only escape but I still think there is a deeper cause. One that is more personal and intimate than any of us will probably ever know.
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