No Heaven Or Hell After Death?

[Blackxeas]

Hello All,

It has been around two years that I began studying the subject of “what after death?” At first, I became confused and concerned after reading and studying a few passages. Were they teaching me incorrectly from my upbringing? I have concluded accepting whatever waits at life’s end.


I would like to share a few ideas and would be interested in reading your input. However, I am only interested in serious answers, as I have seen many jokers here. I was taught that we immediately enter heaven after death, but there were a few biblical scriptures that had me reevaluating those teachings.
I will start by giving a few examples, followed with one or two questions.


1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16)….and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the cloud to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord

We read within these scriptures, those whom are alive at Christ’ return will not precede (come before) those who are asleep (dead) to be with God. That does not mean those who are dead have gone to heaven before those who are alive. The scripture states that those alive will not precede those who are dead, but because the dead will rise first. The dead in Christ will rise first, and then the alive will rise in the air. Would you agree?



Now, let’s talk about:

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51)Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed
52)in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


Take note in verse 52 and 53, the dead “will be changed” for purposes of becoming immortal (never dying: to have eternal life). The bible reads that we shall receive immortal bodies at the sound of the last trumpet. The scripture clearly interprets the dead being asleep until Christ returns. God then resurrects the dead, changes them by giving them an immortal body, and then takes us all to heaven. How can a dead saint be immortal and enter heaven when they haven’t received their immortal body?

Also, take into consideration,

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul”


The scripture reads that God formed man out of the dust of the ground and breathes into him the breath of life, and man became a living soul. Take notice, it was not until God’s breath and Earth’s dust united that Adam became a living soul.

Is it logical to state that the breath can’t exist without the dust, or the dust without the breath? Is it correct to assume that we are only a living conscious while possessing the breath of life? Would that conclude that there is no consciousness after death (e.g. heaven, etc.)?

The bible does read in Ecclesiastes 12:7, and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

I also know that Paul states in 2 Corinthians 5:8,

2 Corinthians 5:8
“We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.”

Being absent from the body and present with the Lord doesn’t necessarily mean one is in heaven with God after death. Can we assume Paul meant, “rather to be absent from the body” (no longer dwelling the mortal body) and present with the Lord (present with the Lord in the new immortal body)? I mean, it was Paul who wrote 1 Corinthians 15:51–54, and knew when standing in God’s presence, we will have a new body.

I am still questioning a few scriptures. Therefore, I am here to dialog and receive feedback.