Just Some Things I've Been Holding In

[CC1]

Originally Posted by ILG

Really, CC1. You are convinced your way is right and your way is "God's way". There is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise, so I won't bother to try. We just disagree.

I am not talking about my way. I am asking you to explain how you think it is ok to depart from God's way as outlined in Ephesians chapter 4 and you give an incredulous analogy that you can ignore those scriptures because Jesus violated the Sabbath.

Can you come up with a rational explanation of why Ephesians 4 does not apply to you?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by CC1

I am not talking about my way. I am asking you to explain how you think it is ok to depart from God's way as outlined in Ephesians chapter 4 and you give an incredulous analogy that you can ignore those scriptures because Jesus violated the Sabbath.

Can you come up with a rational explanation of why Ephesians 4 does not apply to you?

You are assuming I agree that my explanation is irrational and I do not.

We disagree, CC1. Plain and simple.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by ILG

You are assuming I agree that my explanation is irrational and I do not.

We disagree, CC1. Plain and simple.

So based on your logic I can just ignore one or more of the 10 commandments if they are uncomfortable for me since Jesus ate on the Sabbath?

I would love to have you look me in the eye and tell me that Jesus violating the Sabbath means you don't need a pastor or teacher or church in your life as Ephesians chapter 4 says you do. I have a feeling you would have a hard time doing it and if you could then you owe an apology to any Pentecostals that you have ever said used logic that didn't make sense in their belief system.

I have lost all respect for you over this amazing justification for being out of church. You ought to at least have the honesty to just say you are ignoring Gods word in that regard.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by CC1

So based on your logic I can just ignore one or more of the 10 commandments if they are uncomfortable for me since Jesus ate on the Sabbath?

I would love to have you look me in the eye and tell me that Jesus violating the Sabbath means you don't need a pastor or teacher or church in your life as Ephesians chapter 4 says you do. I have a feeling you would have a hard time doing it and if you could then you owe an apology to any Pentecostals that you have ever said used logic that didn't make sense in their belief system.

I have lost all respect for you over this amazing justification for being out of church. You ought to at least have the honesty to just say you are ignoring Gods word in that regard.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by CC1

So based on your logic I can just ignore one or more of the 10 commandments if they are uncomfortable for me since Jesus ate on the Sabbath?

I would love to have you look me in the eye and tell me that Jesus violating the Sabbath means you don't need a pastor or teacher or church in your life as Ephesians chapter 4 says you do. I have a feeling you would have a hard time doing it and if you could then you owe an apology to any Pentecostals that you have ever said used logic that didn't make sense in their belief system.

I have lost all respect for you over this amazing justification for being out of church. You ought to at least have the honesty to just say you are ignoring Gods word in that regard.

If I have to chose between losing your respect and being abused spiritually as has been my experience in all the years I went to church, I chose losing your respect.

I'm sorry there has to be any choice at all but apparently there has to be.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by ILG

If I have to chose between losing your respect and being abused spiritually as has been my experience in all the years I went to church, I chose losing your respect.

I'm sorry there has to be any choice at all but apparently there has to be.

So every single church you could attend would be "spiritual abuse"? Hogwash!

Has it ever dawned on you that if every single church is bad in your mind that maybe the problem is with you and not all the churches?

I am not diminishing the hurt and issues you had with church in your past. What I am saying is that you are using that as an excuse to not be in any church and that excuse is not biblical despite your convoluted logic regarding Jesus and the Sabbath.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by CC1

So every single church you could attend would be "spiritual abuse"? Hogwash!

Has it ever dawned on you that if every single church is bad in your mind that maybe the problem is with you and not all the churches?

I am not diminishing the hurt and issues you had with church in your past. What I am saying is that you are using that as an excuse to not be in any church and that excuse is not biblical despite your convoluted logic regarding Jesus and the Sabbath.

Bro, if you're trying to encourage her back to going to church, I don't think your tone is helping at all...just sayin'

For the record, she and her husband PASTORED a church, so it's not like she was just a member and then she does not want to go anymore.
They were ACTIVE in there. If she's not going right now, maybe she still needs times off to heal.

By the way, going to "church" does NOT mean you're in THE CHURCH
and not going to "church" does NOT mean you're NOT in THE CHURCH (by ONE Spirit, we are baptized into the CHURCH)

So instead of hammering her for what position she took, it'd be more helpful to consider her walk with the Lord. To see where she's at, to encourage her walk with the Lord, and then see where the Lord leads her as per gathering with other fellow believers...

[CC1]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Bro, if you're trying to encourage her back to going to church, I don't think your tone is helping at all...just sayin'

For the record, she and her husband PASTORED a church, so it's not like she was just a member and then she does not want to go anymore.
They were ACTIVE in there. If she's not going right now, maybe she still needs times off to heal.

By the way, going to "church" does NOT mean you're in THE CHURCH
and not going to "church" does NOT mean you're NOT in THE CHURCH (by ONE Spirit, we are baptized into the CHURCH)

So instead of hammering her for what position she took, it'd be more helpful to consider her walk with the Lord. To see where she's at, to encourage her walk with the Lord, and then see where the Lord leads her as per gathering with other fellow believers...

It is because she is no novice, was a pastors wife AND has had YEARS to get beyond the hurt of the past enough to plug into a church that can feed her now that I have said what I have said. ILG and I go back a lot of years on this forum and the forum we were on prior to this one. She knows that for years I have had compassion on her past situation and understand what transpired. As a friend I am saying that at some point in time you have to stop letting the past dictate your future and be an excuse not to be in a church where you can be encouraged, discipled, taught, loved, etc. I have no apologies for what I have said.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Bro, if you're trying to encourage her back to going to church, I don't think your tone is helping at all...just sayin'

For the record, she and her husband PASTORED a church, so it's not like she was just a member and then she does not want to go anymore.
They were ACTIVE in there. If she's not going right now, maybe she still needs times off to heal.

By the way, going to "church" does NOT mean you're in THE CHURCH
and not going to "church" does NOT mean you're NOT in THE CHURCH (by ONE Spirit, we are baptized into the CHURCH)

So instead of hammering her for what position she took, it'd be more helpful to consider her walk with the Lord. To see where she's at, to encourage her walk with the Lord, and then see where the Lord leads her as per gathering with other fellow believers...

Thank you, TGBTG.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by CC1

So every single church you could attend would be "spiritual abuse"? Hogwash!

Has it ever dawned on you that if every single church is bad in your mind that maybe the problem is with you and not all the churches?

I am not diminishing the hurt and issues you had with church in your past. What I am saying is that you are using that as an excuse to not be in any church and that excuse is not biblical despite your convoluted logic regarding Jesus and the Sabbath.

I just don't think anything I could say to you in this regard will make you happy unless I tell you I will be at church next week, which is why I didn't answer you the first time you asked me the question. You continued to press and I said I have told you the answer to this question in my opinion before, you just didn't agree. And again.....I told you because you were pressing and then after you squeezed it out of me, you proceed to call my ideas asinine and go on this litany against what I said. You and I disagree, plain and simple. You may have noticed that I don't feel I have to justify myself to you or anybody else. For some reason that bugs some people to death. But, I really am free of the need to justify myself. When I speak it is because I want to and no other.