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06-28-2012, 09:35 AM
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
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So based on your logic I can just ignore one or more of the 10 commandments if they are uncomfortable for me since Jesus ate on the Sabbath?
I would love to have you look me in the eye and tell me that Jesus violating the Sabbath means you don't need a pastor or teacher or church in your life as Ephesians chapter 4 says you do. I have a feeling you would have a hard time doing it and if you could then you owe an apology to any Pentecostals that you have ever said used logic that didn't make sense in their belief system.
I have lost all respect for you over this amazing justification for being out of church. You ought to at least have the honesty to just say you are ignoring Gods word in that regard.
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If I have to chose between losing your respect and being abused spiritually as has been my experience in all the years I went to church, I chose losing your respect.
I'm sorry there has to be any choice at all but apparently there has to be.
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06-28-2012, 12:51 PM
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
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If I have to chose between losing your respect and being abused spiritually as has been my experience in all the years I went to church, I chose losing your respect.
I'm sorry there has to be any choice at all but apparently there has to be.
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So every single church you could attend would be "spiritual abuse"? Hogwash!
Has it ever dawned on you that if every single church is bad in your mind that maybe the problem is with you and not all the churches?
I am not diminishing the hurt and issues you had with church in your past. What I am saying is that you are using that as an excuse to not be in any church and that excuse is not biblical despite your convoluted logic regarding Jesus and the Sabbath.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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06-28-2012, 12:59 PM
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
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So every single church you could attend would be "spiritual abuse"? Hogwash!
Has it ever dawned on you that if every single church is bad in your mind that maybe the problem is with you and not all the churches?
I am not diminishing the hurt and issues you had with church in your past. What I am saying is that you are using that as an excuse to not be in any church and that excuse is not biblical despite your convoluted logic regarding Jesus and the Sabbath.
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Bro, if you're trying to encourage her back to going to church, I don't think your tone is helping at all...just sayin'
For the record, she and her husband PASTORED a church, so it's not like she was just a member and then she does not want to go anymore.
They were ACTIVE in there. If she's not going right now, maybe she still needs times off to heal.
By the way, going to "church" does NOT mean you're in THE CHURCH
and not going to "church" does NOT mean you're NOT in THE CHURCH (by ONE Spirit, we are baptized into the CHURCH)
So instead of hammering her for what position she took, it'd be more helpful to consider her walk with the Lord. To see where she's at, to encourage her walk with the Lord, and then see where the Lord leads her as per gathering with other fellow believers...
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06-28-2012, 05:21 PM
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
Bro, if you're trying to encourage her back to going to church, I don't think your tone is helping at all...just sayin'
For the record, she and her husband PASTORED a church, so it's not like she was just a member and then she does not want to go anymore.
They were ACTIVE in there. If she's not going right now, maybe she still needs times off to heal.
By the way, going to "church" does NOT mean you're in THE CHURCH
and not going to "church" does NOT mean you're NOT in THE CHURCH (by ONE Spirit, we are baptized into the CHURCH)
So instead of hammering her for what position she took, it'd be more helpful to consider her walk with the Lord. To see where she's at, to encourage her walk with the Lord, and then see where the Lord leads her as per gathering with other fellow believers...
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It is because she is no novice, was a pastors wife AND has had YEARS to get beyond the hurt of the past enough to plug into a church that can feed her now that I have said what I have said. ILG and I go back a lot of years on this forum and the forum we were on prior to this one. She knows that for years I have had compassion on her past situation and understand what transpired. As a friend I am saying that at some point in time you have to stop letting the past dictate your future and be an excuse not to be in a church where you can be encouraged, discipled, taught, loved, etc. I have no apologies for what I have said.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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06-28-2012, 10:48 PM
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
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It is because she is no novice, was a pastors wife AND has had YEARS to get beyond the hurt of the past enough to plug into a church that can feed her now that I have said what I have said. ILG and I go back a lot of years on this forum and the forum we were on prior to this one. She knows that for years I have had compassion on her past situation and understand what transpired. As a friend I am saying that at some point in time you have to stop letting the past dictate your future and be an excuse not to be in a church where you can be encouraged, discipled, taught, loved, etc. I have no apologies for what I have said.
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If you have been run over by a truck, you might have years to recover and yet be in pain for the rest of your life. You simply cannot relate to what I went through so maybe you should save yourself some energy and quit judging it. At this point in my life, I am not planning to ever be a church member again. I wish I could because I would like to be a part of a community but it feels impossible. This forum is as close as I can get and most of the time I end up wanting to run away from here too. I show up and I talk about some of my past experiences and people get out their baseball bats and beat me to death. The only way to heal is get away where I am not being beaten. That's why I don't come around too much and why I stay away from church.
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06-28-2012, 10:30 PM
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
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Bro, if you're trying to encourage her back to going to church, I don't think your tone is helping at all...just sayin'
For the record, she and her husband PASTORED a church, so it's not like she was just a member and then she does not want to go anymore.
They were ACTIVE in there. If she's not going right now, maybe she still needs times off to heal.
By the way, going to "church" does NOT mean you're in THE CHURCH
and not going to "church" does NOT mean you're NOT in THE CHURCH (by ONE Spirit, we are baptized into the CHURCH)
So instead of hammering her for what position she took, it'd be more helpful to consider her walk with the Lord. To see where she's at, to encourage her walk with the Lord, and then see where the Lord leads her as per gathering with other fellow believers...
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Thank you, TGBTG.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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06-29-2012, 02:44 AM
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
ASININE!!!!
I LOVE that word!!!
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-29-2012, 02:46 AM
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
Not all churches are abusive. So it begs the question, needing to be healed or not, why not find one where you CAN be healed?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-29-2012, 04:16 AM
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This is still that!
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Not all churches are abusive. So it begs the question, needing to be healed or not, why not find one where you CAN be healed?
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In the case of a couple who pastored in a local area, and are known in that area (being unjustly associated with a church scandal), it may be a bit harder then the average pew sitting saint. Not impossible, just sticker.
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06-28-2012, 10:28 PM
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Re: Just Some Things I've Been Holding In
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Originally Posted by CC1
So every single church you could attend would be "spiritual abuse"? Hogwash!
Has it ever dawned on you that if every single church is bad in your mind that maybe the problem is with you and not all the churches?
I am not diminishing the hurt and issues you had with church in your past. What I am saying is that you are using that as an excuse to not be in any church and that excuse is not biblical despite your convoluted logic regarding Jesus and the Sabbath.
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I just don't think anything I could say to you in this regard will make you happy unless I tell you I will be at church next week, which is why I didn't answer you the first time you asked me the question. You continued to press and I said I have told you the answer to this question in my opinion before, you just didn't agree. And again.....I told you because you were pressing and then after you squeezed it out of me, you proceed to call my ideas asinine and go on this litany against what I said. You and I disagree, plain and simple. You may have noticed that I don't feel I have to justify myself to you or anybody else. For some reason that bugs some people to death. But, I really am free of the need to justify myself. When I speak it is because I want to and no other.
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