Tulsa Report Day 2

[George]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

You might be surprised to know that I agree with you for the most part. I think the reall issue has MUCH more to do with the direction they feel others are heading than it does with any particular standards.

As to California as compared to some of the other districts? You are exactly right.

Yet, as you very well know, they are a large enough group to sway votes at gen. conf. but they didn't stay in the fight. They could have controlled the direction.
Because we have held these men in such high esteem, it is beyond our finite minds to believe they have been less than ethical. Nearly everyone of the executive committee lost district or regional positions by very narrow margins. This leads the general population to believe they desire position so much they will form their own organization to guarantee their status. We are once again back at square one struggling to believe it could possibly be eogs as the driving force. Even so, there isn't anything wrong with desiring position.....unless you lose your ethics in so doing.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by George

Yet, as you very well know, they are a large enough group to sway votes at gen. conf. but they didn't stay in the fight. They could have controlled the direction.
Because we have held these men in such high esteem, it is beyond our finite minds to believe they have been less than ethical. Nearly everyone of the executive committee lost district or regional positions by very narrow margins. This leads the general population to believe they desire position so much they will form their own organization to guarantee their status. We are once again back at square one struggling to believe it could possibly be eogs as the driving force. Even so, there isn't anything wrong with desiring position.....unless you lose your ethics in so doing.

Another ozone filled negative post.

Are you hitting up the fruit that is too warm, George?

[George]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Another ozone filled negative post.

Are you hitting up the fruit that is too warm, George?

For the life of me, I have no idea why I deserve your wrath. I thought I was having a friendly conversation with Steadfast. I have no animosity towards anyone. Are you entering conversations too late without understanding their entire text and direction?

Originally Posted by George

Yet, as you very well know, they are a large enough group to sway votes at gen. conf. but they didn't stay in the fight. They could have controlled the direction.
Because we have held these men in such high esteem, it is beyond our finite minds to believe they have been less than ethical. Nearly everyone of the executive committee lost district or regional positions by very narrow margins. This leads the general population to believe they desire position so much they will form their own organization to guarantee their status. We are once again back at square one struggling to believe it could possibly be eogs as the driving force. Even so, there isn't anything wrong with desiring position.....unless you lose your ethics in so doing.

George, I'm sorry but I'll never be convinced that 'losing postitions' was the deciding factor in their involvement in Tulsa. Again, I've preached for most of them and can tell you - firsthand - that some of them even turned down positions... some several times.

[George]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

George, I'm sorry but I'll never be convinced that 'losing postitions' was the deciding factor in their involvement in Tulsa. Again, I've preached for most of them and can tell you - firsthand - that some of them even turned down positions... some several times.

I respect your opinion. It seems the whole situation is a convoluted mess. I wholeheartedly support them building their own organization but have thought some of their methods were somewhat unethical. My greatest concern is repercussions on both sides.

[Weary Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

George, I'm sorry but I'll never be convinced that 'losing postitions' was the deciding factor in their involvement in Tulsa. Again, I've preached for most of them and can tell you - firsthand - that some of them even turned down positions... some several times.

NW just lost the position of Western District Supt.

The questions remains as to whether he would have joined up with WPF if

the outcome was different.What if resolution 4 had passed while he was

DS?


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[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by George

Yet, as you very well know, they are a large enough group to sway votes at gen. conf. but they didn't stay in the fight. They could have controlled the direction.

This is a guess at best.

Because we have held these men in such high esteem, it is beyond our finite minds to believe they have been less than ethical.

urf.

Nearly everyone of the executive committee lost district or regional positions by very narrow margins. This leads the general population to believe they desire position so much they will form their own organization to guarantee their status.

Why shouldn't it lead some notable portion of the population to believe that they just lost their last chance to influence things toward their desired outcome?

We are once again back at square one struggling to believe it could possibly be eogs as the driving force. Even so, there isn't anything wrong with desiring position.....unless you lose your ethics in so doing.

Chase it back a little further along the motive tree, and ask if all of these guys were seeking position just to upgrade their seating assignment at the district banquet, or if they were seeking position in hopes of accomplishing some sort of goal.