Tulsa Report Day 2

[CC1]

Like any other human endeavor the WWPF will have men of ethics, honor, integrity, and right motive.

Like any other human endeavor the WWPF will have men lacking in ethics, honor, integrity and right motive.

The only thing that I thought gave the entire org. a bad name was the active prosletyzing that by many accounts was going on. That was disappointing.

I also think they were less than genuine about their plans when they kept insisting they had no plans regarding organizing when it is quite clear something of this detail and complexity had been in the planning for a long time.

Originally Posted by CC1

Like any other human endeavor the WWPF will have men of ethics, honor, integrity, and right motive.

Like any other human endeavor the WWPF will have men lacking in ethics, honor, integrity and right motive.

The only thing that I thought gave the entire org. a bad name was the active prosletyzing that by many accounts was going on. That was disappointing.

I also think they were less than genuine about their plans when they kept insisting they had no plans regarding organizing when it is quite clear something of this detail and complexity had been in the planning for a long time.

How about Disingenuous.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Discerner

How about Disingenuous.

That there is one of them there words used by the ed-ju-ma-cated.

[George]

Originally Posted by CC1

Like any other human endeavor the WWPF will have men of ethics, honor, integrity, and right motive.

Like any other human endeavor the WWPF will have men lacking in ethics, honor, integrity and right motive.

The only thing that I thought gave the entire org. a bad name was the active prosletyzing that by many accounts was going on. That was disappointing.

I also think they were less than genuine about their plans when they kept insisting they had no plans regarding organizing when it is quite clear something of this detail and complexity had been in the planning for a long time.

Thank you for this honest assessment. Because I don't agree with WPF does not mean I am a hater. Too many people have allowed their conversations to be emotion driven. You have said it well. Their active prosletyzing translated into unethical behavior. I believe the WPF was formed unethically and with deception but that does not make me a hater.
Well said, my friend.

[Felicity]

Well, the fact is ..... nothing can be done about what has been initiated. It has begun, it's a work in progress and time will tell what kind of work it will be.

Live and let live.

I just pray these men will continue to love one another and continue to fellowship one another, because it seems to me that the differences aren't so great that they should or need to prevent that. God often directs men to do things and take certain steps and go in directions that others looking on shake their head at.

I guess the best thing is to leave it to God to sort out all the motives and actions people take and the whys of what they do and the decisions they make and the directions they take. He'll reward and bless according to His good pleasure and according to righteous unclouded perfect judgment.

Nobody can say that they've never acted out of less than the best of motives. Nobody can confess to perfection in any area of their lives. So finger pointing and judging needs to be done carefully, particularly when it involves the work of God and men and women who have been called of God and set apart for His purpose.

The most important thing is that the Gospel continues to be preached and that lost souls are saved. That's the primary mission of the Church. We need to be reminded of that occasionally.

From the cheap seats ......

[RevBuddy]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Well, the fact is ..... nothing can be done about what has been initiated. It has begun, it's a work in progress and time will tell what kind of work it will be.

Live and let live.

I just pray these men will continue to love one another and continue to fellowship one another, because it seems to me that the differences aren't so great that they should or need to prevent that. God often directs men to do things and take certain steps and go in directions that others looking on shake their head at.

I guess the best thing is to leave it to God to sort out all the motives and actions people take and the whys of what they do and the decisions they make and the directions they take. He'll reward and bless according to His good pleasure and according to righteous unclouded perfect judgment.

Nobody can say that they've never acted out of less than the best of motives. Nobody can confess to perfection in any area of their lives. So finger pointing and judging needs to be done carefully, particularly when it involves the work of God and men and women who have been called of God and set apart for His purpose.

The most important thing is that the Gospel continues to be preached and that lost souls are saved. That's the primary mission of the Church. We need to be reminded of that occasionally.

From the cheap seats ......

Felicity...

your words are very good...but please don't miss the point...spectators can comment on a baseball game EVEN IF they have never played baseball...political commentators can make judgments about the actions or behavior of politicians EVEN IF they have never run for office...

so, it is with us...yes, I am an imperfect individual with an imperfect ministry...I did not always pastor my church the way I should...but realizing my imperfection, it is still possible for me to comment on the behavior of these men WITHOUT impuning them personally...

the old adage has some applicability here...for us all

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." And I still say,

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Felicity...

your words are very good...but please don't miss the point...spectators can comment on a baseball game EVEN IF they have never played baseball...political commentators can make judgments about the actions or behavior of politicians EVEN IF they have never run for office...

so, it is with us...yes, I am an imperfect individual with an imperfect ministry...I did not always pastor my church the way I should...but realizing my imperfection, it is still possible for me to comment on the behavior of these men WITHOUT impuning them personally...

the old adage has some applicability here...for us all

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." And I still say,

I get the point. LOL. I still think care needs to be taken.

if we're not careful we become guilty of doing the same things we judge others of doing and our attitudes and spirits get bent out of shape. Jesus' attitude and His instruction to His disciples was to "let them be".

The fact is that it hurts to see division take place. Sometimes it's a necessary hurt though. Other times it's simply a result of people getting caught up in politics and "issues".

We can still be "one" in the most important purpose of all which is to reach the lost with the Gospel and see lives transformed and saved from hell.

Pray about it. Lift your eyes from what you can see from the "natural viewpoint". Try to look at everything from God's point of view. If you do, you'll see little justification for judgmentalism and accusation.

God puts up with all of us. He loves us and is patient and merciful with us all, and like I say He's most concerned with souls being saved.

We get caught up in issues of pride and competition, carnal reasoning, and it sucks the spirit and life right out of us and then we wonder why there's so much barren-ness and so much unspirituality in our OWN ranks.

Pray for your brothers -- even those who have chosen to walk a different path. Let them know you love them and that you wish them the best. God will bless you for that and it will reap a good harvest.

It doesn't matter what others do. We're responsible for ourselves and no matter how others act we have a responsibility to keep our own attitudes and spirits right and to react in a right spirit, with kindness, God's love, self control and temperance which are ..... after all ....... the fruit of the Spirit.

[RevBuddy]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I get the point. LOL. I still think care needs to be taken.

if we're not careful we become guilty of doing the same things we judge others of doing and our attitudes and spirits get bent out of shape. Jesus' attitude and His instruction to His disciples was to "let them be".

The fact is that it hurts to see division take place. Sometimes it's a necessary hurt though. Other times it's simply a result of people getting caught up in politics and "issues".

We can still be "one" in the most important purpose of all which is to reach the lost with the Gospel and see lives transformed and saved from hell.

Pray about it. Lift your eyes from what you can see from the "natural viewpoint". Try to look at everything from God's point of view. If you do, you'll see little justification for judgmentalism and accusation.

God puts up with all of us. He loves us and is patient and merciful with us all, and like I say He's most concerned with souls being saved.

We get caught up in issues of pride and competition, carnal reasoning, and it sucks the spirit and life right out of us and then we wonder why there's so much barren-ness and so much unspirituality in our OWN ranks.

Pray for your brothers -- even those who have chosen to walk a different path. Let them know you love them and that you wish them the best. God will bless you for that and it will reap a good harvest.

It doesn't matter what others do. We're responsible for ourselves and no matter how others act we have a responsibility to keep our own attitudes and spirits right and to react in a right spirit, with kindness, God's love, self control and temperance which are ..... after all ....... the fruit of the Spirit.

Felicity...ok, I get it...I understand your position. I misunderstood...I thought we were trying to understand yours AND my position...

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Felicity...ok, I get it...I understand your position. I misunderstood...I thought we were trying to understand yours AND my position...

I totally understand your position. I've been on both sides of the fence. I have a perspective that many don't have and I think it might give me bit of an edge. Perhaps I'm deluded about that though. LOL.

I understand the unhappiness and disappointment of what has happened. I don't judge you for feeling as you do. Just trying to lend some perspective and giving my 2 cents worth.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I get the point. LOL. I still think care needs to be taken.

if we're not careful we become guilty of doing the same things we judge others of doing and our attitudes and spirits get bent out of shape. Jesus' attitude and His instruction to His disciples was to "let them be".

The fact is that it hurts to see division take place. Sometimes it's a necessary hurt though. Other times it's simply a result of people getting caught up in politics and "issues".

We can still be "one" in the most important purpose of all which is to reach the lost with the Gospel and see lives transformed and saved from hell.

Pray about it. Lift your eyes from what you can see from the "natural viewpoint". Try to look at everything from God's point of view. If you do, you'll see little justification for judgmentalism and accusation.

God puts up with all of us. He loves us and is patient and merciful with us all, and like I say He's most concerned with souls being saved.

We get caught up in issues of pride and competition, carnal reasoning, and it sucks the spirit and life right out of us and then we wonder why there's so much barren-ness and so much unspirituality in our OWN ranks.

Pray for your brothers -- even those who have chosen to walk a different path. Let them know you love them and that you wish them the best. God will bless you for that and it will reap a good harvest.

It doesn't matter what others do. We're responsible for ourselves and no matter how others act we have a responsibility to keep our own attitudes and spirits right and to react in a right spirit, with kindness, God's love, self control and temperance which are ..... after all ....... the fruit of the Spirit.

Almost word for word from my pastor's sermon yesterday, girl...