Tulsa Report Day 2

[RevBuddy]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder thank you. I did not go to Tulsa and have no intention of joining. But these men as great expense and cost to themselves have made this step. Only time will tell the outcome. I wish them well as I do the godly men in the UPC.

Elder:

I have absolutely said this is a control movement. And I will stick by that. However, at no time, have I commented on the presence of God or the lack thereof. Those who do are foolish...

If you must leave an organization, by all means, leave. Each and every one of us have that right to do so. My comments have addressed only the questionable ethics about the "ways and means" that these brethren have left. Remaining IN an organization while taking premediated action to bring about its hurt, using UPCI data while not obtaining the necessary approvals, fees, etc. and lastly, actively recruiting its membership by letter, personally or by surrogates.

Secondly, when this same resolution (essentially the same, I should say) was defeated at an earlier GC, would we expect and/or endorse similar action should it have been taken by UPCI ministers with the opposing view?

I would oppose on ethical grounds any similar actions, either from the left or the right of our organization. An organization founded on questionable personal or corporate behavior has for itself, an inauspicious start.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Discerner

How about Disingenuous.

That there is one of them there words used by the ed-ju-ma-cated.

[Felicity]

Well, the fact is ..... nothing can be done about what has been initiated. It has begun, it's a work in progress and time will tell what kind of work it will be.

Live and let live.

I just pray these men will continue to love one another and continue to fellowship one another, because it seems to me that the differences aren't so great that they should or need to prevent that. God often directs men to do things and take certain steps and go in directions that others looking on shake their head at.

I guess the best thing is to leave it to God to sort out all the motives and actions people take and the whys of what they do and the decisions they make and the directions they take. He'll reward and bless according to His good pleasure and according to righteous unclouded perfect judgment.

Nobody can say that they've never acted out of less than the best of motives. Nobody can confess to perfection in any area of their lives. So finger pointing and judging needs to be done carefully, particularly when it involves the work of God and men and women who have been called of God and set apart for His purpose.

The most important thing is that the Gospel continues to be preached and that lost souls are saved. That's the primary mission of the Church. We need to be reminded of that occasionally.

From the cheap seats ......

[TrmptPraise]

The only real important question is when will the Countdown to Branson thread start?

[StMark]

Back on FCF about 2-3 years ago, I told everyone that there was a new organization secretly being discussed & planned.I was laughed to scorn because I didn't have"proof".I don't expect any apologizes from the naysayers who tried everything to make me look like a fool. Does anyone ever admit they were wrong in relation to anything that has to do with this topic?? That's almost a whole nother topic.

Know this, write it down this day that I told you. One day there is going to be something come out that is going to blow everyone away totally out of the water.Unfortunatley a lot of devestated lives. I am right about this you will see.







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[Felicity]

Originally Posted by StMark

Back on FCF about 2-3 years ago, I told everyone that there was a new organization secretly being discussed & planned.I was laughed to scorn because I didn't have"proof".I don't expect any apologizes from the naysayers who tried everything to make me look like a fool. Does anyone ever admit they were wrong in relation to anything that has to do with this topic?? That's almost a whole nother topic.

Know this, write it down this day that I told you. One day there is going to be something come out that is going to blow everyone away totally out of the water.Unfortunatley a lot of devestated lives. I am right about this you will see.
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No doubt. We've already seen this to some extent and on some levels.

As time winds down things aren't going to get better, that's for sure.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

The only real important question is when will the Countdown to Branson thread start?

LOL.

[RevBuddy]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Well, the fact is ..... nothing can be done about what has been initiated. It has begun, it's a work in progress and time will tell what kind of work it will be.

Live and let live.

I just pray these men will continue to love one another and continue to fellowship one another, because it seems to me that the differences aren't so great that they should or need to prevent that. God often directs men to do things and take certain steps and go in directions that others looking on shake their head at.

I guess the best thing is to leave it to God to sort out all the motives and actions people take and the whys of what they do and the decisions they make and the directions they take. He'll reward and bless according to His good pleasure and according to righteous unclouded perfect judgment.

Nobody can say that they've never acted out of less than the best of motives. Nobody can confess to perfection in any area of their lives. So finger pointing and judging needs to be done carefully, particularly when it involves the work of God and men and women who have been called of God and set apart for His purpose.

The most important thing is that the Gospel continues to be preached and that lost souls are saved. That's the primary mission of the Church. We need to be reminded of that occasionally.

From the cheap seats ......

Felicity...

your words are very good...but please don't miss the point...spectators can comment on a baseball game EVEN IF they have never played baseball...political commentators can make judgments about the actions or behavior of politicians EVEN IF they have never run for office...

so, it is with us...yes, I am an imperfect individual with an imperfect ministry...I did not always pastor my church the way I should...but realizing my imperfection, it is still possible for me to comment on the behavior of these men WITHOUT impuning them personally...

the old adage has some applicability here...for us all

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." And I still say,

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Elder:

I have absolutely said this is a control movement. And I will stick by that. However, at no time, have I commented on the presence of God or the lack thereof. Those who do are foolish...

If you must leave an organization, by all means, leave. Each and every one of us have that right to do so. My comments have addressed only the questionable ethics about the "ways and means" that these brethren have left. Remaining IN an organization while taking premediated action to bring about its hurt, using UPCI data while not obtaining the necessary approvals, fees, etc. and lastly, actively recruiting its membership by letter, personally or by surrogates.

Secondly, when this same resolution (essentially the same, I should say) was defeated at an earlier GC, would we expect and/or endorse similar action should it have been taken by UPCI ministers with the opposing view?

I would oppose on ethical grounds any similar actions, either from the left or the right of our organization. An organization founded on questionable personal or corporate behavior has for itself, an inauspicious start.

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[Steve Epley]

I wish them the best it is not for me. The AMC is more to my liking.