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Originally Posted by LUKE2447
Correct. This mentality of a blood covering. blood bubble we live in and when we sin God does not see it or he sees it but it doesn't change our standing before him is about as heretical as it gets. God will still draw you and convict you but that doesn't mean you are "just" before him. It is his mercy that he does so.
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It is possible to go to heaven with unrepented sin
When growing up we were taught to pity the poor man who lived for God for 30 years but happened to see a sixteen year old walk by, her skirt blow up, and just as a feeling of lust took over, he dies.
Sin can never enter in. Lost and doomed to hell forever.
Of course we were taught the opposite of that was the once saved always saved paradigm. In which case why sweat the small stuff, no matter what you were going to heaven.
What we were not taught was the law of covenant.
Covenant is actually another way of speaking of contract law. Even today we refer to the “marriage covenant.”
Romans 8: 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,m neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NIV
This passage has often been misread as espousing once saved always saved.
What it actually says is a believer is in covenant with Christ. Sins have been repented of, propitiation accepted, and Lordship of Christ declared.
Once the covenant has been enjoined no one except those in privity can violate the covenant. Therefore unlike the marriage vow “until death do us part” has no place in the Christian covenant because that covenant transcends even death(that alone is worth shouting over.) Basic rule of law is only those within a covenant can breach it, an third party not in privity has no say.
Example- if there is a lawful marriage a next door neighbor cannot declare that marriage over because he wants to take that woman to be his wife. ONLY the parties in covenant can breach.
But it is possible for one or both parties to disavow covenant (divorce), therefore although nothing can separate you from the love of God, you CAN separate yourself.
Many other verses substantiate it is possible to be lost once saved.
But what about a breach of vows, does that automatically break the covenant?
Adultery is an often used example of breach of vows. Hypothetical- If my wife were to walk into a room and catch me in the act of coitus with an underage girl. Have I breached? Undoubtedly. Am I divorced legally as of that second. No.
It is the decision of the party grieved in this case the putative spouse as to the FUTURE action. She could even wait for months making up her mind. She can even choose to stay in covenant even though I had not yet repented, and we are STILL married.
It is the same when the Christian sins, even knowingly, willfully, and horrifically. The Christian is NOT automatically out of covenant with God. The blood stills covers, the covenant is still intact unless or until God decides to dissolve it.
Hence it is much more difficult to lose our salvation than we were taught, but it is not impossible either.
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