Church of Champions and Christian Tabernacle

[Praxeas]

Pentecostal: any one or group that believes the baptism of the Holy Ghost is evidenced by speaking in tongues

Charismatic: any one or group that believes in the receiving and excercize of any one of the 9 gifts of the Spirit

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Pentecostal: any one or group that believes the baptism of the Holy Ghost is evidenced by speaking in tongues

Charismatic: any one or group that believes in the receiving and excercize of any one of the 9 gifts of the Spirit

So you are Charismatic Prax?

[Hoovie]

I personally have not shunned the "charismatic" term as some have.

Life is too short to play word games.

[kute1]

What is the Exploding Pulpipt? My friend WAS a member of Church of Champions and she said that COC left the UPC because of standards. A person does not lose standard convictions just because they don't think they are important anymore, it is usually the result of a deeper issue.

Any why would you leave an organization such as the UPC? Just wondering.
Every organization has it's problems. The problem with the UPC is that there is no central control; each pastor pretty much does whatever and nobody will know if it's in line or not unless some saint of God pipes up and says "hey hold on a minute." This is bad because many "ministers" have abused their authority and then everybody thinks it's a reflection on the church as a whole and it's not. Sad, but true. However, I think the UPC is grounded on doctorinal truth. Just my opinion.

[houston]

Result of a deeper issue... like... grasping "by grace are ye saved?" or maybe something like "not of works..." Or how 'bout realizing that most of these "standards" are commandments of men based on faulty interpretation and poor hermeneutic.

[aegsm76]

Or thinking that they could build a bigger church if they got rid of those pesky standards.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by kute1

What is the Exploding Pulpipt? My friend WAS a member of Church of Champions and she said that COC left the UPC because of standards. A person does not lose standard convictions just because they don't think they are important anymore, it is usually the result of a deeper issue.

Any why would you leave an organization such as the UPC? Just wondering.
Every organization has it's problems. The problem with the UPC is that there is no central control; each pastor pretty much does whatever and nobody will know if it's in line or not unless some saint of God pipes up and says "hey hold on a minute." This is bad because many "ministers" have abused their authority and then everybody thinks it's a reflection on the church as a whole and it's not. Sad, but true. However, I think the UPC is grounded on doctorinal truth. Just my opinion.

Sometimes people never had "standard convictions", they were just convinced to follow or believe them because their pastor said so. When they studied the bible and came to the conclusion that they were not biblical they would find another church or pull out of that organization that believed in "standards"

BTW the bible never uses the term "Holiness Standards"

[houston]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Or thinking that they could build a bigger church if they got rid of those pesky standards.

Or thinking that legalism saves no one.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Sometimes people never had "standard convictions", they were just convinced to follow or believe them because their pastor said so. When they studied the bible and came to the conclusion that they were not biblical they would find another church or pull out of that organization that believed in "standards"

BTW the bible never uses the term "Holiness Standards"

It never uses the term trinity either.
But a lot of people here certainly feel the need to defend "trinitarians".

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

So you are Charismatic Prax?

Charismatic Pentecostal