Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or otherwise

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Sam

Or, some ministers will shave or take off a wedding ring or put on a necktie before ministering in a place where there is not a good understanding of grace.

Is grace really a relevant concept, here? I mean, do you know of any ministers who stop committing adultery before ministering in a place where there is not a good understanding of grace?

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Is grace really the key concept, here? I mean, do you know of any ministers who stop committing adultery before ministering in a place where there is not a good understanding of grace?

Are you serious?

This is why so many shun forum discussions. Logic and common sense are in such short supply. It's difficult have a discussion when apples are compared to oranges on a regular basis.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Are you serious?

This is why so many shun forum discussions. Logic and common sense are in such short supply. It's difficult have a discussion when apples are compared to oranges on a regular basis.

Huh?

[MusicMaster]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Are you serious?

This is why so many shun forum discussions. Logic and common sense are in such short supply. It's difficult have a discussion when apples are compared to oranges on a regular basis.

Before you accuse Timmy of the lack of logic and common sense, perhaps you might want to consider that Timmy has been around a long time based on his post count. Even though he doesn't claim to be apostolic, maybe he's seen people who claim to be apostolic who come on this forum condemning everyone else for their sin publicly while trying to pick up women on the side through the private message feature.

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Huh?

You can't compare adultery to circumcision. They don't exist in the same argumentative universe.

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by MusicMaster

Before you accuse Timmy of the lack of logic and common sense, perhaps you might want to consider that Timmy has been around a long time based on his post count. Even though he doesn't claim to be apostolic, maybe he's seen people who claim to be apostolic who come on this forum condemning everyone else for their sin publicly while trying to pick up women on the side through the private message feature.

Perhaps I misunderstood Timmy's post. If that's so, I'll readily apologize.

Perhaps I could query as to his exact intent?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

You can't compare adultery to circumcision. They don't exist in the same argumentative universe.

OK, the point of my post was not clear, so let me expound.

Sam knows preachers who shave their beards off, or remove wedding rings, when they minister in places where (in his words) there is not a good understanding of grace. I think that grace would only be relevant to this discussion if, in fact, wearing a beard or a wedding ring is actually a sin. Like adultery! I think I know Sam well enough that he doesn't actually believe that (correct me if I'm wrong, Sam), nor is he accusing those preachers he mentions of hypocrisy, though mentioning grace kinda (to me) implies it, for the above reason.

I mentioned adultery as an example of something that nearly everyone agrees is sin, to contrast it with beards and rings. I doubt anyone really does what I asked about!

Better?

P.S. I didn't know circumcision had anything to do with it. Haven't read all the posts, so if that factors in, I have no idea how.

[On The Wheel]

Thanks for the clarification. Sorry to be so hair trigger.

I was responding to a post that defended purported to show how extra-biblical standards, such as required circumcision, could be lawfully imposed upon people by a pastor.

We are probably in agreement on this.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Thanks for the clarification. Sorry to be so hair trigger.

I was responding to a post that defended purported to show how extra-biblical standards, such as required circumcision, could be lawfully imposed upon people by a pastor.

We are probably in agreement on this.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Is grace really a relevant concept, here? I mean, do you know of any ministers who stop committing adultery before ministering in a place where there is not a good understanding of grace?

well, they might not take their mistress with them to the service as a form of respect for rules/standards of the pastor and congregation.