See IHOP Teaching Acts 2:38 Salvation - Page 3

Michael The Disciple · #21 05-20-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Orthodoxy

I think IHOP is a great organization. I know they are truly hungry for miracles and healings, and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, although you have to be careful not to fall prey to the health-and-wealth gospel. However, there is a huge difference between IHOP and Benny Hinn.

Paul said, "Earnestly desire the spiritual gifts."

IHOP is part of the Resoration wing of the Charismatic Movement. Benny Hinn as you said is part of the Word Of Faith wing which is the part of it that helped drive me away from it.

Not that FAITH for healing or whatever is wrong just the deceiving prosperity teaching that robs the disciple of his duty to take up the cross and follow Jesus.

But IHOP is hungry for MORE than healing and miracles. I really believe they are hungry for righteousness. I have hardly seen the fervency of reaching out to Jesus as I do there.

Michael The Disciple · #22 05-20-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

BTW, I don't think that guy even came close to preaching the water and spirit new birth.

And as much as I want to stay away from the hyper gift seeking people like IHOP, I have to give them credit for their worship and prayer. Focused prayer is a great thing and I hope God uses their prayers for his glory.

Well what he said was repentance, water baptism, the infilling of the Holy Spirit are REQUIRED by Israel the same as for us. And that there are not two different ways OF SALVATION.

Also I reported a few months back I heard the same man say plainly one is not born again without the water and Spirit baptism. However at that time I could not find the video to verify it to others.

Thats why I posted this link because to my understanding this does show that it is being taught at IHOP. Time will tell how well its received.

Pastor Keith · #23 05-20-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Articl...?ID=1000103993

Scroll down to the Saturday May 14 session 5 video. Go to the 1 hour and 25 minute point in the video there he begins the portion Im writing about.

Here Wes Hall one of the three leaders at IHOP tells the hearers Acts 2:38 is the required way of salvation.

This is significant in that this a Trinitarian Church coming into a deeper knowledge of truth.

While some Apostolics are drawing back into Protestant Evangelical teaching here we see the Lord guiding Charismatics to a more Biblical understanding.

Mike Bickle, lead pastor of IHOP calls David Pawson his favorite Bible Teacher, anyway David believes that Acts 2:38 to be the NT New Birth.

Pastor Keith · #24 05-20-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The good news is that people can and do change. What we are witnessing is a gradual growth in knowledge by a Charismatic Church. Last year I heard Wes Hall refer to the new birth in terms of Acts 2:38. I noticed a few days later Mike Bickle SEEMED to be cutting him off at his knees and teaching the old traditional Protestant belief.

They have had David Pawson there all last week who teaches Acts 2:38 IS the new birth. That is the context I think of where they are. The teaching on the new birth they have accepted from Pawson is becoming more prevelant. It will take time to work its way through the whole Church but Im confident it will.

David Pawson is one of the best Bible Teachers to walk in Flesh.

acerrak · #25 05-20-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

David Pawson is one of the best Bible Teachers to walk in Flesh.

did he have another form before he put on flesh?

Sam · #26 05-21-2011, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by acerrak

did he have another form before he put on flesh?

He was a gleam in his daddy's eye.

Michael The Disciple · #27 05-21-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

David Pawson is one of the best Bible Teachers to walk in Flesh.

Hmmm that depends on what you think is the truth. I agree with him on the new birth and post trib rapture. Two very big things to me. In the matter of the Godhead he is missing it as does IHOP. Pawson has a chapter in his New Birth book where he defends himself from suspicion that he is a tri theist.

Of course to me tri theist is just the logical outcome of Trinity.

acerrak · #28 05-21-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Hmmm that depends on what you think is the truth. I agree with him on the new birth and post trib rapture. Two very big things to me. In the matter of the Godhead he is missing it as does IHOP. Pawson has a chapter in his New Birth book where he defends himself from suspicion that he is a tri theist.

Of course to me tri theist is just the logical outcome of Trinity.

buddy tbh no one has the corner market on the Godhead... the Godhead has been the center of debate and division since 100a.d.

is the trinitarians correct yes in some aspects, is the Oneness correct yes in some aspects.

Do we really know? No, no matter how we want to view it Paul said
1 corinthians 13:12

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

No matter how we want to view things, we are still very limited, are view is obstructed, but one day face to face.

we have a perfect view of Gods grace and salvation through His Son, but when we go back to trying to formulate doctrines on the godhead i think were missing the point. we still cant describe a undescribable God, nor can we fathom His love..

and trinitarians are not tri thiestic, thats just a oneness label placed on them. They pray to the same God you worship, and the same God answers thier prayers.
They believe in One God