Inclusive Bible Laguage?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

no one is changing the message of the gospel only the names we call God. do you really think that God is a male? Isn't the word creator more apt at describing God than Father? did christ have to be a male? do women need a male savior? can't son be called redeemer and be less offensive to gender sensitive women while preserving an apt description of the son's role? i think this language makes sense.

God gave Himself the title FATHER therefore to say that is wrong or that it is in need of change is to say that God was wrong and that HE needs improvement!!!

If you have the ability to change HIS name so as to be more inclusive what about those who want to be more inclusive of Islam by saying when we witness to them we use the term allah instead of God do we accommodate them as well by changeing HIS name?

[Cindy]

God is who HE is, and HE will NEVER change. So, I take it you want a God that fits into your little world view, DM?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Cindy

God is who HE is, and HE will NEVER change. So, I take it you want a God that fits into your little world view, DM?

no one is changing god's name. he is the creator. so calling him creator instead of father is not a great leap. and this is not a "little world view", this is from mainstream christianity.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Luke

God gave Himself the title FATHER therefore to say that is wrong or that it is in need of change is to say that God was wrong and that HE needs improvement!!!

If you have the ability to change HIS name so as to be more inclusive what about those who want to be more inclusive of Islam by saying when we witness to them we use the term allah instead of God do we accommodate them as well by changeing HIS name?

i believe allah is the word for god in arabic, so even christian bibles would have the word allah in them.

[stephenroehm]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

no one is changing the message of the gospel only the names we call God. do you really think that God is a male? Isn't the word creator more apt at describing God than Father? did christ have to be a male? do women need a male savior? can't son be called redeemer and be less offensive to gender sensitive women while preserving an apt description of the son's role? i think this language makes sense.

1. Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ is God and that He is male. I see nowhere in Scripture to suggest otherwise.

2. Both of the words "Creator" and "Father" are equally apt to describing God. They are both roles that He plays in our lives. To minimize "Father" is to allow bias (I'm assuming political) to influence how you want to present God to the world.

3. Christ WAS and IS male. We don't have to assume or speculate as to why.

4. Women need God to save them, and He happened to take upon Himself the form of a servant, come in the likeness of man, and die on a cross for the sins of all men and women. There is salvation in no other name than Jesus, so yes, they need a male savior as Jesus is the only one.

5. Why not try to present as much of Jesus as you can instead of trying to be politically correct?

[jen4yeshua]

I know a lot of pagans through a particular network I am connected with, and a lot of the women have turned towards paganism because of their association of "patriarchal" Christian and Judaic brief systems with abuse of various kinds. There is a lot of language by my pagan acquaintances and friends that refers to mother instead of father when referring to God. It seems to me that rather than translating the bible to accomodate these belief systems and make it palatable to those who dislike the male references, the focus should be on addressing the types of abuse that brought about the shift in the first place, ensuring that as Christians we don't perpetuate the same kinds of abuse (nor tolerate it) and pray for these women to have an intimate relationship with Jesus, just like the woman at the well, and the woman caught in adultery, and any woman who has ever experienced the depths of His loving kindness. Then the healing will enable them to view the male Jesus and the father God in the light of this love.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i believe allah is the word for god in arabic, so even christian bibles would have the word allah in them.

The word allah is not the Arabic word for God that is name of their FALSE god!!! If any Bible used the word for God it would cease to be a Christian Bible and rather be an abomination!

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by Luke

The word allah is not the Arabic word for God that is name of their FALSE god!!! If any Bible used the word for God it would cease to be a Christian Bible and rather be an abomination!

Broken down, Al is Arabic for "the" and Ilah is Arabic for "god." Put together, the 2 words become "Allah."

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Luke

The word allah is not the Arabic word for God that is name of their FALSE god!!! If any Bible used the word for God it would cease to be a Christian Bible and rather be an abomination!

what is the word for god in arabic christian bibles genius?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by stephenroehm

1. Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ is God and that He is male. I see nowhere in Scripture to suggest otherwise.

2. Both of the words "Creator" and "Father" are equally apt to describing God. They are both roles that He plays in our lives. To minimize "Father" is to allow bias (I'm assuming political) to influence how you want to present God to the world.

3. Christ WAS and IS male. We don't have to assume or speculate as to why.

4. Women need God to save them, and He happened to take upon Himself the form of a servant, come in the likeness of man, and die on a cross for the sins of all men and women. There is salvation in no other name than Jesus, so yes, they need a male savior as Jesus is the only one.

5. Why not try to present as much of Jesus as you can instead of trying to be politically correct?

i don't think deemphasizing father diminishes the gospel in any way while at the same time can remove barriers to women that have issues with patriarchy.