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07-27-2014, 05:21 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
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Lifesong, is a church that is receiving folks from CLC steadily that do not want ANY standards preached at them. We have friends and family there. They trash talk CLC members whenever they get a chance. They win disgruntled pentecostals this way. They are as brutal, or even more brutal than their conservative brethren. They dont insist on Jesus name baptism, several have told me. I refuse to attend there....I dont want my hottie wife in pants! I wont even say any more about the junk that spews out of there.
We dont attend anywhere for now, but lifesong is the LAST place I would go around here.
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Wow! Your post doesn't sound biased at all. I have been to their church website earlier today and checked out their doctrinal statement, etc so have a pretty good idea where they stand.
However you will forgive me if I am a bit skeptical about how bad you say they are towards CLC and CLC members. As one who went "charismatic" a few decades ago I know what was said about my family and the exUPC church we were attending. A lot of misconceptions and outright fabrications.
Not saying this has to be the case here but i am very leery when someone makes the kind of strong statements you have made.
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07-27-2014, 06:01 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
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Wow! Your post doesn't sound biased at all. I have been to their church website earlier today and checked out their doctrinal statement, etc so have a pretty good idea where they stand.
However you will forgive me if I am a bit skeptical about how bad you say they are towards CLC and CLC members. As one who went "charismatic" a few decades ago I know what was said about my family and the exUPC church we were attending. A lot of misconceptions and outright fabrications.
Not saying this has to be the case here but i am very leery when someone makes the kind of strong statements you have made.
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My church is fairly moderate UPC...
I heard stories about how someone at a UC Oneness church heard my Pastor's son wore an ear ring. Of course it was a total lie.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-27-2014, 06:20 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
I was called a charismatic and a preterist,......
Had to laugh because it is kinda impossible to be both. The preterist believes that everything ended, the charismatic believes everthing is about the gifts of the spirit.
I would rather be called a charismatic than not, I do believe in the Gifts...
I also believe in personal holiness.
Just my .02
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07-27-2014, 06:48 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
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Originally Posted by Sean
Lifesong, is a church that is receiving folks from CLC steadily that do not want ANY standards preached at them. We have friends and family there. They trash talk CLC members whenever they get a chance. They win disgruntled pentecostals this way. They are as brutal, or even more brutal than their conservative brethren. They dont insist on Jesus name baptism, several have told me. I refuse to attend there....I dont want my hottie wife in pants! I wont even say any more about the junk that spews out of there.
We dont attend anywhere for now, but lifesong is the LAST place I would go around here.
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Sean, you don't fellowship with God's people in worship and the word but you don't want your wife to wear pants????
Do you see how crazy this sounds? The body of Christ was designed by God to be in close fellowship with each other...learning how to love and care for each other and a woman wearing pants is a priority?
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07-27-2014, 06:52 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
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Originally Posted by CC1
Wow! Your post doesn't sound biased at all. I have been to their church website earlier today and checked out their doctrinal statement, etc so have a pretty good idea where they stand.
However you will forgive me if I am a bit skeptical about how bad you say they are towards CLC and CLC members. As one who went "charismatic" a few decades ago I know what was said about my family and the exUPC church we were attending. A lot of misconceptions and outright fabrications.
Not saying this has to be the case here but i am very leery when someone makes the kind of strong statements you have made.
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Well, we have at least 50 friends or family members that attend Lifesong. Nearly every one of them cant help but to "trash" or show disdain towards CLC. They get on facebook and attack them, when I see them, they within minutes start attacking CLC. My wifes friends give her an earful every time they hang out also. I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. They think somehow, that dropping standards is equated with "love". To me, its "lust".
Because we dont attend CLC, we take a neutral look and understand what is happening. I think if a person wants to leave, just gracefully leave and dont make waves when you go. If a person wants to vent, they can get on AFF....LOL
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07-27-2014, 07:00 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
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Sean, you don't fellowship with God's people in worship and the word but you don't want your wife to wear pants????
Do you see how crazy this sounds? The body of Christ was designed by God to be in close fellowship with each other...learning how to love and care for each other and a woman wearing pants is a priority?
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We are on a sabbatical, because I am too opinionated and I dont want to wreck somebodies faith in their pastor. It is a Holy Ghost thing. It is not forever.
We have our own God given standards, that we keep, church or not. We get gobs of fellowship (with both church groups), but we expose the disdain to those of either church if we hear it. Both church groups brethren love us. And we love them. But SHAME on those that despise their holiness brethren.
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07-27-2014, 07:01 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
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Originally Posted by Sean
Lifesong, is a church that is receiving folks from CLC steadily that do not want ANY standards preached at them. We have friends and family there. They trash talk CLC members whenever they get a chance. They win disgruntled pentecostals this way. They are as brutal, or even more brutal than their conservative brethren. They dont insist on Jesus name baptism, several have told me. I refuse to attend there....I dont want my hottie wife in pants! I wont even says any more about the junk that spews out of there.
We dont attend anywhere for now, but lifesong is the LAST place I would go around here.
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Those that left the conservative churches have a right to complain about them. If a person had left the liberal church they would have a right to complain as well.
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07-27-2014, 07:07 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
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Those that left the conservative churches have a right to complain about them. If a person had left the liberal church they would have a right to complain as well.
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Well, thats true. But after a little while....DROP IT!....Instead, they become divisive and try to drag conservative brethren away from their beliefs. It is a BAD spirit and hard to listen to.
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07-27-2014, 07:13 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
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Originally Posted by TJJJ
I was called a charismatic and a preterist,......
Had to laugh because it is kinda impossible to be both. The preterist believes that everything ended, the charismatic believes everthing is about the gifts of the spirit.
I would rather be called a charismatic than not, I do believe in the Gifts...
I also believe in personal holiness.
Just my .02
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-27-2014, 07:16 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question
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Originally Posted by jfrog
Those that left the conservative churches have a right to complain about them. If a person had left the liberal church they would have a right to complain as well.
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A Right? you mean a legal right? A moral right?
There are lots of rights. We have the right to get drunk too...that doesn't mean we should
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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