Did Jesus Christ Have The Ability To Sin ?

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The temptation was certainly real it is seen in Mt. 4 & Luke 4 but it was from the OUTSIDE not from the inside.

Ignore the scriptures Elder ... it's not the first time .... it says he felt our infirmities .... FEELING HAPPENS ON THE INSIDE ....

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

ALL three point is seen in Mt. 4 & Luke 4. NO every sin imaginable there.

You miss the inflection. "All points" cover every sin. And the three in Luke 4 fall under those three points. POINTS of sin are categories, brother.

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We do know three specific sins he was tempted to perform while in the wilderness. But who knows what else? The fact remains that he was tempted in all three categories.

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

So then it was predestinated Jesus could NOT have failed then that says he could not have sinned.

Agreed! BUT....the point of this topic is whether or not He had the potential to sin. And the answer is yes. But according to foreknowledge of God, He could not sin.

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The temptation was certainly real it is seen in Mt. 4 & Luke 4 but it was from the OUTSIDE not from the inside.

If it is not in the inside, then one is not tempted. Temptation only occurs when something entices what is on the inside.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You miss the inflection. All points cover every sin. And the three in Luke 4 fall under those three points. POINTS of sin are categories, brother.

Then are you saying Jesus was tempting with:
Stealing
Adultery
Lying
Homosexuality???????????????????

The WHOLE simply means lust of the eye-lust of the flesh-pride of life presented to Him from the Devil OUTSIDE not orignating from his own nature.
You and I have enough problems with our own nature the devil does not have to present us temptations we are a temptation factory.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

If it is not in the inside, then one is not tempted. Temptation only occurs when something entices what is on the inside.

It's so simple ... some of us are tempted by chocolate ... some are not ... the outward stimuli is the same ...yet the temptation comes from an inward craving ... to have it ... if the bible says he was tempted then there must've been an inward enticement .... sorry but this debate is downright silly ....

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It's so simple ... some of us are tempted by chocolate ... some are not ... the outward stimuli is the same ... the temptation comes from an inward craving ... to have it ... if the bible says he was tempted then their must've been an inward enticement .... sorry but this debate is downright silly ....

Daniel I think the controversary really concerns His human nature whether it was a fallen sinful nature or not. True the end result is the same He did Not sin. He could not have failed. Yet this aspect I think deserves the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Then are you saying Jesus was tempting with:
Stealing
Adultery
Lying
Homosexuality???????????????????

I already said we do not know which specific sins He was tempted with other than the account of a certain three given in Luke 4. But we do know that any number of the sins that fall under the three categories were what He was tempted with. We simply do not know which.

The WHOLE simply means lust of the eye-lust of the flesh-pride of life presented to Him from the Devil OUTSIDE not orignating from his own nature.

THREE "WHOLES" were those in which He was tempted. Three categories.

Brother, if He was tempted, then THE INSIDE WAS ENTICED! EVERY MAN, Jesus included, WHEN HE IS TEMPTED is drawn away of his own lusts and ENTICED. Without enticement it is only OUTSIDE. But then it is not tempation without enticement. I see no problem with the issue. What is your problem with it?

You and I have enough problems with our own nature the devil does not have to present us temptations we are a temptation factory.

Right! But Jesus nevertheless WAS STILL ENTICED TO SIN... A.K.A., TEMPTED.

Adam and Eve had no sinful nature before they sinned. How was Eve tempted? SAME WAY JESUS WAS.

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Daniel I think the controversary really concerns His human nature whether it was a fallen sinful nature or not. True the end result is the same He did Not sin. He could not have failed. Yet this aspect I think deserves the discussion.

Incorrect. Adam and Eve had no sinful nature before they sinned. But Eve was still tempted and succumbed.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It's so simple ... some of us are tempted by chocolate ... some are not ... the outward stimuli is the same ...yet the temptation comes from an inward craving ... to have it ... if the bible says he was tempted then there must've been an inward enticement .... sorry but this debate is downright silly ....

I agree. I do not know what folks are afraid of. Jesus was tempted because something APPEALED TO SOMETHING IN HIS FLESH. That means it affected HIS INWARD.

What is the big deal???