After all, who and what is more wicked than the judeao/christian culture? You can never tell when another Presbyterian is going to slam a plane into a packed building on a Monday morning. Watch those Methodist and Mormons. They will do you in every time.
I'm pretty thick-skinned, so this outrageous insult just rolls off. If it makes you happy to think I am defending Islamic terrorists, carry on.
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Timmy, you are going to take a 3500 year old account to argue moral equivelence with MODERN Islamic fundementalism? that dont make no sense.
What??? How long ago does something have to have happened before it becomes irrelevant? Do you guys really believe the Bible or don't you? Hop into a time machine and set the dial for that "passover" night. Find an Egyptian home at midnight, or the next morning. Is there a mom and dad sobbing uncontrollably, or not? Go back to Noah's time, just as the flood starts. Are there people drowning, fighting for breath, and dying, or not? Go watch God's wrath poured out on babies and pregnant women. Watch God's warriors rape those evil women, under orders.
"God never changes" you say? Well, if the OT accounts are accurate, I, for one, am glad He did change! (Get nit-picky, if you like: He didn't change, His way of dealing with people changed. Fine. I'm glad for that.)
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As I said, hopefully we can get BACK to the issue at hand. This is not imagination. This is a relevant issue for TODAY. It's happening RIGHT NOW. To treat it in such a way is to minimize the issue. It's real. It's a growing threat and danger to the entire world, let alone Christians.
Imagination. Just as I thought. You guys have trouble believing the horrors attributed to God in the OT, don't you.
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I'm pretty thick-skinned, so this outrageous insult just rolls off. If it makes you happy to think I am defending Islamic terrorists, carry on.
Sorry that you thought I was insulting you. It just appeared that you are stoutly defending them while placing the onus on the Jews and Christians. Speaking just from my perspective alone.
But, no insult was intended at all.
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You guys have trouble believing the horrors attributed to God in the OT, don't you.
See. Here you do it again.
If my remark was considered an insult, this statement leaves me totally confused if you are not defending the Islamic terrorist.
I gotta be missing something...somewhere. I'm just judging from appearance.
What??? How long ago does something have to have happened before it becomes irrelevant? Do you guys really believe the Bible or don't you? Hop into a time machine and set the dial for that "passover" night. Find an Egyptian home at midnight, or the next morning. Is there a mom and dad sobbing uncontrollably, or not? Go back to Noah's time, just as the flood starts. Are there people drowning, fighting for breath, and dying, or not? Go watch God's wrath poured out on babies and pregnant women. Watch God's warriors rape those evil women, under orders.
How long? Less than half a generation. How is that for an answer.
I don’t need to shrink away from the OT or what God did to see that does not apply as a comparison between modern day Islamic fundamentalists and Christians.
And Gods actions in the OT were not based on whim. Pharaoh hardened his own heart before God turned him to his doom.
The people in Noah's day had 300 years of hearing the preacher before God rained destruction on them.
Your moral equivalence game is silly.
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Sorry that you thought I was insulting you. It just appeared that you are stoutly defending them while placing the onus on the Jews and Christians. Speaking just from my perspective alone.
But, no insult was intended at all.
OK, no prob. Still don't see how you got that from my posts, but fine.
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See. Here you do it again.
If my remark was considered an insult, this statement leaves me totally confused if you are not defending the Islamic terrorist.
I gotta be missing something...somewhere. I'm just judging from appearance.
I am not saying Islam isn't evil.
I am just wondering why the religion of the OT is not considered evil. That it happened thousands of years ago is irrelevant. I think the only possibilites are:
1. God did evil things back then, but He doesn't anymore (presumably).
2. Those things are not evil. Killing babies, rape, and slashing pregnant women are holy and just, in the right context.
3. God didn't really do those things or give those orders. The Bible is wrong, in those places.
Are there others?
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How long? Less than half a generation. How is that for an answer.
Uh, if you're serious, Hitler was longer ago than a half generation. Are his doings irrelevant now?
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I don’t need to shrink away from the OT or what God did to see that does not apply as a comparison between modern day Islamic fundamentalists and Christians.
And Gods actions in the OT were not based on whim. Pharaoh hardened his own heart before God turned him to his doom.
Not that it matters (it was so long ago), but I don't see that in the Bible. I see God hardening his heart, from the beginning of Moses' dealings with him about setting God's people free. Exodus 4:21. And he did this several times, and the reason was to show everyone who was boss. For a chance to do wonderful miracles (plagues, including the first-born killings).
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The people in Noah's day had 300 years of hearing the preacher before God rained destruction on them.
And what reason would they have had to believe him?
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Your moral equivalence game is silly.
If you say so.
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Not sure how anything I said minimized the issue. But I agree it's a growing threat and danger. Is the purpose of this thread to brainstorm on how to deal with it?
Are you intending again here to minimize the important issue by being trite?
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Imagination. Just as I thought. You guys have trouble believing the horrors attributed to God in the OT, don't you.
Like I said. I feel vindicated. Timmy you are appearing more and more to be exactly you claim you are not or are not doing. Back to the TOPIC please. the relevant topic. Stop attempting to minimize this growing imminent threat with the obfuscation and red herrings
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Are you intending again here to minimize the important issue by being trite?
"Again"? Show me where I minimized the issue in any way whatsoever. If you are referring to the "no idea" icon, sorry. Not intended to be trite. Just indicating that I have no idea how to deal with the problem today.
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Like I said. I feel vindicated. Timmy you are appearing more and more to be exactly you claim you are not or are not doing. Back to the TOPIC please. the relevant topic. Stop attempting to minimize this growing imminent threat with the obfuscation and red herrings
OK. I will stop attempting to minimize this growing imminent threat. Sigh.
Yeah, you guys caught me. I love those terrorists. I jumped for joy on 9/11/01.
In case you didn't catch it, that was sarcasm! The following is not:
Let's see. The topic. OK, I agree with Bro Strange that, if the Quran instructs its followers to kill non-Muslims, it's evil. I am not being trite, not sarcastic, and I'm not kidding. It is evil.
You happy?
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"Again"? Show me where I minimized the issue in any way whatsoever. If you are referring to the "no idea" icon, sorry. Not intended to be trite. Just indicating that I have no idea how to deal with the problem today.
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Is the purpose of this thread to brainstorm on how to deal with it?
That is how....what difference does it make of the purpose? It's a discussion and an issue. It seems from the beginning that you keep trying to railroad the discussion. Here the underlying suggestion is perhaps we can't do anything so lets just ignore it and talk about how the bible has stuff in it...perhaps I am wrong, but I'm not the only one that notices this
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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