Reba & Donny - Sad!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Chewy

The worrisome and almost untenable thing is that traditionally the Apostolic church has taken a very indignant stand against homosexuality, which in some cases, has included the individuals themselves.

We must find that balance where we can welcome these individuals, and even though it is so difficult, MAKE them feel welcome to the point they do not feel defensive.

Chewy, please don't take me wrong. I live in an area where the homosexuals are running around like roaches. I live on the border of Wilton Manors Florida, home of the first all homosexual city council. I give Bible studies at the Barnes and Nobles in Fort Lauderdale on US 1 where we are surrounded by lesbians and homosexuals while I'm teaching.

Brother Chewy, John Maxwell couldn't teach a course on how to win a pervert. Why? Because we cannot make them feel welcome to the point where they are not defensive. Brother, these men and women are under conviction when they look at a Bible. What they are actively involved in is not a lifestyle it is as bad as being a junkie strung out on crack, or heroine.

The other day when I was in a Bible study with a Muslim friend of mine I noticed that one of the homosexuals were listening intently to the study this happens quite often.

I watch homosexuals and lesbians listen to the studies, and even have had them come over and ask questions.

This is what I must say, we cannot MAKE them feel anything but conviction, I never would want anyone to feel comfortable in their sin, I'm not looking to build a care group and I'm not a babysitter. They have all the time to feel comfortable AFTER they REPENT and receive the HOLY GHOST and pray through until their guts are hanging out.

I hope you can understand where I'm coming from on this issue.

Originally Posted by Chewy

I think much of the militant posturing against homosexuality is to make sure the fellas around us KNOW, that we are not homosexuals.

Brother C, please don't take this the wrong way, what you're saying is what the homosexuals say. Let's try to go far beyond political correctness and having homophobia tagged on everyone who dares to lift up the trumpet against perverts. When you're digging a trench you need to move the shovel, because the shovel was made to dig with and not to lean on.
We have a nation of young people who are becoming lesbians and homosexuals. We have a 19 year old boy in our Bible study who was heavily involved in transvestitism and perversion, he is just one of many in Fort Lauderdale and Miami.

Originally Posted by Chewy

We love to scowl and make ugly and mean faces when we talk about this stuff, the same with pornography.

Oh you mean the looks of disgust? You need to see how some of them look at us. How about what some of their remarks and how their faces look.
Sorry but they are far from being huddled in a corner trembling. They call their places of business PRIDE, and their whole mindset is to flaunt their sin to us and especially our children.

Originally Posted by Chewy

We want not only to communicate we take a stand against it, but the most damning insult or indictment for a man is for someone to accuse him of being gay.

Listen down here if two men are walking or driving in a car together they are being accused of being a homosexual. I really don't think people who don't live around homosexuals really understand what they are truly dealing with on this issue. The homosexual communities need to understand that they are lost and heading to a burning place of destruction and the only hope to escape is not the GOSPEL OF INCLUSION but the Gospel of the only soulution, baptized in Jesus name with the in filling of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Ghost gives the ability.

Originally Posted by Chewy

It is a difficult dilemma.

Not really when committed to prayer and just tell it like it is.

Originally Posted by Chewy

The opposite end of the pendulum, washing and kissing their feet with acceptance is not the answer either.

Agreed

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I have no problem with the idea of perversion, and I agree, but to stand a just call names is not helpful either.

I have gay friends that I hope come to Christ. They know what I believe but are still my friends and I hope that God uses me to bring them to the same cross as you and I have had to come to.

Dave, that really doesn't sound right. Please I hope in Jesus name that you don't take offence, allow me to make this statement.

Brother Dave, how are you in fellowship? I mean working together as friends? Without them feeling the conviction? These individuals don't have some standard or doctrinal problem these people are involved in mind-blowing perversion. A great number of them have been violated as children, and their problems are extremely seriously spiritual at a demonic level.

Brother Dave we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood, so why should we try to figure out some carnal way to reach peoples who are in such a serious spiritual condition?

Brother Dave you won't kill em with kindness, because all you will have is good Baptists who are struggling to keep their demons at bay.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Esther

This is indeed very sad.

This deception that has entered into the church that we should not offend anyone by being honest is just that: DECEPTION!

Emotions are powerful thing and can be very misleading indeed--just because something makes you cry doesn't mean that God has anything to do with-

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Emotions are powerful thing and can be very misleading indeed--just because something makes you cry doesn't mean that God has anything to do with-

SISTER!!!! JEANIE!!!!! YOU HAVE WON THE POST OF THE DAY AWARD!!!!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Emotions are powerful thing and can be very misleading indeed--just because something makes you cry doesn't mean that God has anything to do with-

Amen!

[tamor]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Emotions are powerful thing and can be very misleading indeed--just because something makes you cry doesn't mean that God has anything to do with-

Amen Jeannie. Good post!!

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Emotions are powerful thing and can be very misleading indeed--just because something makes you cry doesn't mean that God has anything to do with-

Good words.
Way to often we judge things strictly by emotion. Using emotion is not a bad thing, we are, after all, emotional creatures. But to only go with emotion and lay aside reasoning is a recipe for bad judgement.

If we think a movement is from God and see the emotion in it, and don't check the facts according to God's Word we can easily be lead astray. Just because the Gifts of the Spirit appear to be in operation, doesn't always mean the Fruit of the Spirit is being produced. Jesus did say "By their fruits ye shall know them". That is not to say we should throw the supernatural experiences under the bus, it just to say we need to have both spiritual gifts in operation and spiritual fruit being produced.

I believe the Word say to serve the Lord with all your heart (emotions), soul (eternal truth), mind(logical thought process), & strength(physical).....If all are not involved then we will get off course.......

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chewy, please don't take me wrong. I live in an area where the homosexuals are running around like roaches. I live on the border of Wilton Manors Florida, home of the first all homosexual city council. I give Bible studies at the Barnes and Nobles in Fort Lauderdale on US 1 where we are surrounded by lesbians and homosexuals while I'm teaching.

So what? I bet you freak out when three brothers go out to eat and have to sit in a booth. Two men on one side one on the other. The man across from you gets up to go wash his hands and it leaves you and the assistant pastor are sitting together on one side of the booth.

Brother Chewy, John Maxwell couldn't teach a course on how to win a pervert. Why? Because we cannot make them feel welcome to the point where they are not defensive. Brother, these men and women are under conviction when they look at a Bible. What they are actively involved in is not a lifestyle it is as bad as being a junkie strung out on crack, or heroine.

Wrong. Conviction and condemnation are two different things. I would have them to feel convicted (the work of the Holy Ghost) and NOT condemned (the work of man)

Oh you mean the looks of disgust? You need to see how some of them look at us. How about what some of their remarks and how their faces look.

This is a cop out. They look at you with disgust so that gives you license to refer to them as cockroaches? Cmon man.

Not really when committed to prayer and just tell it like it is.

Sure, but telling it like it is with indignance and with tough love and the grace by which WE have been redeemeed are two different things.

[COOPER]

Last but certainly not least, Dony McGuire and Reba Rambo-McGuire and their children, Destiny and Israel, provided the praise and worship. I remember Reba Rambo singing with her parents Buck and Dottie Rambo in my teens. For her and her husband to sing in a gay church, and conference was astounding. The most moving and beautiful things at this conference was Saturday night, when Dony McGuire and Reba Rambo invited all the pastors of gay churches that were there, to come up on the stage, remove their shoes and he and his wife, personally washed their feet apologizing for the years he and his wife, and the Christian church at large had thrown stones , maligned God's work in Gay churches, and had excluded and thrown out these pastors and their congregations. He and Reba wept as they washed and kissed the feet of these pastors.

Was this action of feet washing a showing of repentance to the Gay Pastors.....Condoning Same sex Pastors and Congregations?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Tapping into the Pervert Movement and kissing the feet of people who are full-blown demon possessed is not a smart move. Individuals better start thinking about what they're messing with. Remember what Brother Benincasa says, "motorcycles are real dangerous and if you don't know what you're doing you will break your neck."


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It would be easyer if they were all Demon possessed........

But Homo-sexuality is not Demon Possession.