Why aren't there more African Americans in the UPC or the leadership of the UPC???

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by SecretWarrior

And why is that ? It is historically Proven that whites rarely will sit under black Leadership. how many whites do you see attending a church pastored by a Black Vs. blacks attending and sitting under white leadership?

you still failed to answer my first question

oooh, this is a good question, I wonder if some men would rather sit under a woman than a Black pastor.


...welcome to the Democratic party!

LOL!!

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Hegavmelif

Exactly...by choice. Hence, the reason we have the PAW organization. AA want their own organization. Has nothing to do with racism. The people who yell racism are far more racist than the people they accuse of being racist. My personal opinion based on decades of observation!

With all due respect it is statements like this that show the deep rooted ignorance of disguised racism. (I am not say that HGML is racist) The PAW was not formed as a AA/Black organization. Rather it was a multicultural organization where people from every ethnicity could enjoy fellowship and true love. It was not until whites decided to divide that the organization became predominantly AA. The very root of the division was racism is what separated us many years ago and it still exists today.

I have preached extensively for black churches and organizations for more than 20 years, there is racism on both sides to be sure. However, I have been told by District Sups to leave those n's alone and come back to my people, I have been called a N lover and many other things throughout the years. I know first hand that there is an underlying root of racism that permeates the UPCI and many other "white" organizations including their leadership.

The true test of racism is whether or not my son can marry your daughter. Fred Price

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by bishoph

With all due respect it is statements like this that show the deep rooted ignorance of disguised racism. (I am not say that HGML is racist) The PAW was not formed as a AA/Black organization. Rather it was a multicultural organization where people from every ethnicity could enjoy fellowship and true love. It was not until whites decided to divide that the organization became predominantly AA. The very root of the division was racism is what separated us many years ago and it still exists today.

I have preached extensively for black churches and organizations for more than 20 years, there is racism on both sides to be sure. However, I have been told by District Sups to leave those n's alone and come back to my people, I have been called a N lover and many other things throughout the years. I know first hand that there is an underlying root of racism that permeates the UPCI and many other "white" organizations including their leadership.

The true test of racism is whether or not my son can marry your daughter. Fred Price

This is so very true - let them little white UPC gals start even looking at a black guy and the family has to leave church or get outta town!

[Consapostolic1]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

This is so very true - let them little white UPC gals start even looking at a black guy and the family has to leave church or get outta town!

So do most upc churches preach against mixed marriages with blacks?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Consapostolic1

So do most upc churches preach against mixed marriages?

It's not so much mixed marriage they teach against but black/white marriage.

[Consapostolic1]

I never understood what makes it right for a person of Irish decent and a person of Indian decent to marry, but forbid if you let a person of african decent mix.

[Truthseeker]

"cause it's ok if our daughters marry an Irish/Indian but not one of them blacks!!!"




BTW no such thing as a mixed marriage in Gods eyes if both are in Christ.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

It's not so much mixed marriage they teach against but black/white marriage.

True and some of them will not let the races mix in dating - Hispanic/white, Brazilian black/American or Bazillion white, and especially Black/White. I know some that will allow the white Asians to date white Americans but not Black Asians. It gets crazy when MEN have to be in charge of who dates who and who can marry. It is pure racism.

I did perform the wedding of a Liberian woman (black) to an American man (black) but told them - there was so much cultural difference and he would have to get used to eating rice and peas! He came to me last year and said - Bishop - I sure do miss FRIED CHICKEN AND CORNBREAD!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!
They were both black but I really talked to them strong about the cultural differences but they wanted to marry so I joined them together and they seem to be adjusting well - of course - he has lost weight! LOL

[Margies3]

I've been UPC. I've been United Methodist. And now am Alliance.

And I'm here to tell you that the same thing is true in all of them. AND in most other organized churches.

I'm also very involved in a Christian retreat organization called "The Walk to Emmaus" http://www.upperroom.org/emmaus/default.asp It's the same thing in this.

All of them are very predominately white groups.

I find this to be unfortunate because my experience is that we (as a white culture) have much that we can learn from our AA brothers and sisters and they have equally as much that they can learn from us. Besides which, if we can't fellowship with one another here, how in the world do we think we are going to make the adjustment to fellowshipping together once we get to heaven!!!

The question is: HOW do we make this happen??? That is the million dollar question. I wish I knew the answer.

[DividedThigh]

obviously as the demographics of our churches change and they become more culturally diverse the situation with leadership will follow, just makes sense, dt