Tulsa Report Day 2 - Page 54

#**531** 01-28-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tina

Just one question about the above post...Are you calling Steadfast a liar?

YA THINK?

RevBuddy · #**532** 01-28-2008, 02:04 PM

I rest my case...oh, yes...maybe you can find an even larger font...

What I meant was...let's get off the "what he said stuff" and discuss the bigger issue of the ramifications of the WPF versus UPCI split...

I'll start first...here's why I say it is a control-driven event...

1. Being unable to "control" the outcome of the GC voting, they needed an outlet to "control" their environment, i.e., form a new fellows.., I'm sorry, a new organization that will assist in "controlling" the issue, thereby its overall impact on them and their fellowship buddies.

2. Having said that, I believe that it is ALSO a "control" issue for those on the majority vote side. In the aftermath of the vote, they seek to "control" the hearts and minds of their constituency at large...those beyond the immediate influence of the "Tulsa 6."

So I think I'm being fair here to both sides...it is clearly a control issue for both. I'll even give you the point that I could have stated that upfront in the discussion.

George · #**533** 01-28-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The only preacher of the platform besides whoever is leading the service is the preacher doing the preaching. The committee that is in charge is not introduced as such nor have they been. Men from the UPC-AMF- and various independent fellowships have preached. None of them have been bashed.
On the committee are UPC-AMF-again GIBs from different fellowship areas.
So the focus of the meeting is simple:
prayer
praise
preaching
fellowship
I think I do remember seeing someone praise dancing at least I think they were.

Thanks for your explanation. I was at an ALJC meeting and the DS sat in the audience. I wondered why they didn't invite him to the platform You have probably explained that, too.

Apprehended · #**534** 01-28-2008, 02:09 PM

I don't think many here are thinking this issue through.

Be that as it may...

I don't want to ever hear any of those men, especially those six, preach a message on the doctrine of submission. Neither do I want to ever hear them preach a message on brotherly love and UNITY...especially if has to do with being in one mind and in one accord.

All things are NOT...are NOT what they appear to be on the surface.

Somebody...anybody....

Turn your headlights on and slow down. The bridge is OUT up ahead.

#**535** 01-28-2008, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

I rest my case...oh, yes...maybe you can find an even larger font...

What I meant was...let's get off the "what he said stuff" and discuss the bigger issue of the ramifications of the WPF versus UPCI split...

I'll start first...here's why I say it is a control-driven event...

1. Being unable to "control" the outcome of the GC voting, they needed an outlet to "control" their environment, i.e., form a new fellows.., I'm sorry, a new organization that will assist in "controlling" the issue, thereby its overall impact on them and their fellowship buddies.

2. Having said that, I believe that it is ALSO a "control" issue for those on the majority vote side. In the aftermath of the vote, they seek to "control" the hearts and minds of their constituency at large...those beyond the immediate influence of the "Tulsa 6."

So I think I'm being fair here to both sides...it is clearly a control issue for both. I'll even give you the point that I could have stated that upfront in the discussion.

RevBuddy,

Your points generally have some merit. I've no problem with legitimate points. I have a problem with personal attacks.

And, as for my font, I've been around here a LONG time in these forums. My font has always been just as it is now.

I kind of like it. It makes it easier to see if someone is replying to a post.

As to you points? I can see how some think it's that way but, in all honesty, I just don't see it that way. I think that, at least with 95% of the people who are going to find their fellowship with the Tulsa crew, they just got tired of seeing issues that were valuable to them diminished further and further.

That was, before I was called a liar, my original point; I think that some are just tired of seeing the things they value compromised in front of their people. The television aspect was, in my gut honest opinion, just the 'final straw' that broke the camels back for most of them.

RevBuddy · #**536** 01-28-2008, 02:29 PM

Steadfast...I was JUST kidding...take it easy!!

What are the OTHER ISSUES?

RevBuddy · #**537** 01-28-2008, 02:32 PM

In other words, use whatever font you'd like...I was kidding you...

but, what are the other "straws" before the last "straw?"

Apprehended · #**538** 01-28-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RevBuddy

In other words, use whatever font you'd like...I was kidding you...

but, what are the other "straws" before the last "straw?"

I know that you did not ask me but, if I may...

It is not about the proverbial straws at all. It is not about what someone else might be doing within the fellowship. It is about unrest and discontentment in the soul...a dissatisfaction, a utopian longing of idealistic aspirations crippled by deception. When the light fades, ghosts appear and the peace of God takes His flight, the mind is left to wander without an anchor while continually seeking yet another milestone of perfection in the flesh.

Such men trouble you. Paul said that he would that they were CUT OFF. But Jesus said, "Peace give I unto you, not as the world gives, give I, but my peace. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither be afraid."

#**539** 01-28-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RevBuddy

In other words, use whatever font you'd like...I was kidding you...

but, what are the other "straws" before the last "straw?"

You can refer to my earlier post for some examples. Right Now I'm fine tuning my font options! This could end being fun.

I'm sorry, I just figured that this thread just can't be any more hijacked than it is right now.

#**540** 01-28-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RevBuddy

In other words, use whatever font you'd like...I was kidding you...

but, what are the other "straws" before the last "straw?"

RevBuddy, I forgot the smileys on the last post. Obviously I was kidding.

In all seriousness, I listed other things on the post I was later accused of lying on. But, from the general sentiment of many I know they just get tired of preaching...
* Modesty only to see very short skirts and splits that are extreme.
* Uncut hair only to go to meetings and see it everywhere.

You know as well as I do that the list could go on and on. RevBuddy, I'm relatively sure this isn't your 'first rodeo' and there is no doubt in my mind that you know all the answers before I listed any of them. Even so, for men who really do believe what they preach this becomes problematic.