The Name

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Steve,

This trite is pathetic. Here you act as if a few people you know constitute everyone on Earth that believes the Son of God was born into a Hebrew family and actually was called a Hebrew name by his parents, friends, and followers.

Be aware of WHO'S NAME you are mocking and jesting about. Not many fear him these days. Dont make their mistake.

I have heard many of them and read their stuff and have met several they have all been the same way far nut commune type folks.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have heard many of them and read their stuff and have met several they have all been the same way far nut commune type folks.

Ok all answers seem to be in. Steve and Atlanta and others here oppose the name of Yeshua. A few are favorable to it. I think I will start a new thread and explore the Hebrew name some more.
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[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok all answers seem to be in. Steve and Atlanta and others here oppose the name of Yeshua. A few are favorable to it. I think I will start a new thread and explore the Hebrew name some more.
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Micheal,
After following this thread and processing the voluminous negative criticisms offered by Steve and Shave, you want to set out and explore the Hebrew name some more.

Is this "sounding" of the Lamb's name the defining issue in your life right now?

It just feels like it is more than just sharing an understanding, it seems like a quest. Please know, I basically understand quests, and you have the same opportunity to fill up bandwidth with this topic as I do with proclaiming that there is neither male nor female in Christ.

IMO, a large part of what you are hearing from your critics (in this thread) is that this "proper sounding" becomes a "single note" trumpeted from the wall. For something to be so singularly focused upon, it is implying to your reader that you hold this issue as a defining issue among the faithful. IMO, that is what stirs the acidic rhetoric being contributed in this thread. If something is so defining, it should not be subject to continuously evolving with every hebrew linguistic research publication.

We all agree (I hope) that knowing the name is a core essential to our identity and our operation in the realm of the Spirit. Can you comment on why people who adamently pursue a singular "utterance sound" independant of the language of their own common understanding, seem to become engulfed by this topical consideration?

submitted respectfully,
tbpew.

PS. I do not think Steve and Shave oppose the name of Yeshua. I believe they oppose the "there is one sound spoken in the mouths of all men, by which we must be saved". I do find it interesting that after weathering all their seemingly cavalier posting, that you form that sentence as representing your assessment of their views.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok all answers seem to be in. Steve and Atlanta and others here oppose the name of Yeshua. A few are favorable to it. I think I will start a new thread and explore the Hebrew name some more.
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Michael IF Yeshua is the name of Jesus in Hebrew I have no problem in folks using that name. My problem is that I have failed to find ONE sacred name guy that can read or speak Hebrew. Now here is my question to you (and I am not trying to be ugly) can YOU read or speak Hebrew??????

There is another sacred name guy on the forum his pronunciations sounds nothing like the one you give.
I have a YaVeh Bible and they send the "W" folks to Hell.

And guess what they can't read or speak Hebrew either.

The guys I debated have been rebaptized since I debated them they have been baptized 4 times in a guessing game name. Neither can barely read or speak English and they are trying to explain ancient Hebrew to me.

Around the world repented folks are baptized in Jesus Name pronouncing it in their common tongue and no violation is done.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Michael IF Yeshua is the name of Jesus in Hebrew I have no problem in folks using that name. My problem is that I have failed to find ONE sacred name guy that can read or speak Hebrew. Now here is my question to you (and I am not trying to be ugly) can YOU read or speak Hebrew??????

There is another sacred name guy on the forum his pronunciations sounds nothing like the one you give.
I have a YaVeh Bible and they send the "W" folks to Hell.

And guess what they can't read or speak Hebrew either.

The guys I debated have been rebaptized since I debated them they have been baptized 4 times in a guessing game name. Neither can barely read or speak English and they are trying to explain ancient Hebrew to me.

Around the world repented folks are baptized in Jesus Name pronouncing it in their common tongue and no violation is done.

Steve,

As you know quite well I have been telling you over a period of years now I do not speak Hebrew. Neither have I at any time tried to get you to use Yeshua. I have presented what I believe is true and defended the name against your attacks.

You continually mock that if we cant read Hebrew we have no buisness calling the Lord Yeshua. This is not valid at all. Millions of people own a Concordance or use study guides and make points in their doctrine from them.

I compare what you are saying to this.

A Hebrew Christian comes along and says "Steve you cannot even read the Bible". They might say that because it was FIRST written in THEIR language. They might laugh and mock and tell YOU you have no right to discuss it because you cant even read it except in a translated form filtered through men.

You:

Around the world repented folks are baptized in Jesus Name pronouncing it in their common tongue and no violation is done.:

Me:

So it is a violation for ME to speak the name of Jesus in the form that is the common one of the Jews but it is NOT a violation for them!

What many Apostolics and others seem to be saying is that in EVERY NATION there is an acceptable name to use in their own tongue EXCEPT FOR ISRAEL!

Are you saying that Steve? What name is acceptable for people in the land of ISRAEL to use when talking to THEIR MESSIAH? Of all nations on Earth are THEY the only ones who do NOT have a name for the Messiah?

Are Americans better than the Jews that WE have an acceptable name for the Savior but THEY DO NOT?

And if they do why is it a VIOLATION for me to use that name seeing it originated in Israel and was used by all the Biblical characters?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Steve,

As you know quite well I have been telling you over a period of years now I do not speak Hebrew. Neither have I at any time tried to get you to use Yeshua. I have presented what I believe is true and defended the name against your attacks.

You continually mock that if we cant read Hebrew we have no buisness calling the Lord Yeshua. This is not valid at all. Millions of people own a Concordance or use study guides and make points in their doctrine from them.

I compare what you are saying to this.

A Hebrew Christian comes along and says "Steve you cannot even read the Bible". They might say that because it was FIRST written in THEIR language. They might laugh and mock and tell YOU you have no right to discuss it because you cant even read it except in a translated form filtered through men.

You:

Around the world repented folks are baptized in Jesus Name pronouncing it in their common tongue and no violation is done.:

So it is a violation for ME to speak the name of Jesus in the form that is the common one of the Jews but it is NOT a violation for them!

What many Apostolics and others seem to be saying is that in EVERY NATION there is an acceptable name to use in their own tongue EXCEPT FOR ISRAEL!

Are you saying that Steve? What name is acceptable for people in the land of ISRAEL to use when talking to THEIR MESSIAH? Of all nations on Earth are THEY the only ones who do NOT have a name for the Messiah?

Are Americans better than the Jews that WE have an acceptable name for the Savior but THEY DO NOT?

And if they do why is it a VIOLATION for me to use that name seeing it originated in Israel and was used by all the Biblical characters?

Micheal again I have NO problem with YOU or any Hebrew speaking the name in Hebrew BUT FIRST you have to read and speak Hebrew to do so. That is the point. I have spoken to many Jews NONE of them have used the pronuciation you are advocating here why?

[Digging4Truth]

This is a useless volley gentlemen.

What is the purpose in continuing trying?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

This is a useless volley gentlemen.

What is the purpose in continuing trying?

For fun??????????????????????????????

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Steve,

As you know quite well I have been telling you over a period of years now I do not speak Hebrew. Neither have I at any time tried to get you to use Yeshua. I have presented what I believe is true and defended the name against your attacks.

You continually mock that if we cant read Hebrew we have no buisness calling the Lord Yeshua. This is not valid at all. Millions of people own a Concordance or use study guides and make points in their doctrine from them.

I compare what you are saying to this.

A Hebrew Christian comes along and says "Steve you cannot even read the Bible". They might say that because it was FIRST written in THEIR language. They might laugh and mock and tell YOU you have no right to discuss it because you cant even read it except in a translated form filtered through men.

You:

Around the world repented folks are baptized in Jesus Name pronouncing it in their common tongue and no violation is done.:

Me:

So it is a violation for ME to speak the name of Jesus in the form that is the common one of the Jews but it is NOT a violation for them!

What many Apostolics and others seem to be saying is that in EVERY NATION there is an acceptable name to use in their own tongue EXCEPT FOR ISRAEL!

Are you saying that Steve? What name is acceptable for people in the land of ISRAEL to use when talking to THEIR MESSIAH? Of all nations on Earth are THEY the only ones who do NOT have a name for the Messiah?

Are Americans better than the Jews that WE have an acceptable name for the Savior but THEY DO NOT?

And if they do why is it a VIOLATION for me to use that name seeing it originated in Israel and was used by all the Biblical characters?

SO Michael..are you saying that it's only Hebrew speaking jews that you are concerned with pronouncing the name YAH or Yeshua or however it's being speeled to day in hebrew????

You are not at all concerned that I have been baptized wrong by having the English "Jesus" called over me in baptism?

It's quite allright for Spanish speakers to pronounce "Heysoos Chritos" (sp) as the name they honor their savior by??

I'm sure theere are different sounding names in French /Dutch/russian..etc etc

Would all peoples of the world need to know and pronunce the Messiah or God's name in Hebrew according to you??

Not sure the reasoning behind all the fuss with you and your YAH compatriots?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

For fun??????????????????????????????

Ahhhhhhhhh...

I see....

We just have different ideas of what fun is.

Carry on then.

Ciao