To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

Let's just say that I totally disagree with you. It's not prejudice. It is personal preference.

You can 'totally disagree' with me all day long Mr. Sackett, but feel free to add some logic to your argument, sir. I'd love to hear the logic behind your argument.

Since you keep using the phrase "personal preference", let's be clear on what that phrase normally means:

Personal preference applies when you decide what you want for yourself.
When you impose your personal preference on someone else then it's gone beyond personal preference.

Maybe you might answer this question for me... When the "man of God" tells someone it's not God's will for them to marry someone else because of their racial differences, how is that personal preference? (Please explain sir.)

[Tyrel Sackett]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You can 'totally disagree' with me all day long Mr. Sackett, but feel free to add some logic to your argument, sir. I'd love to hear the logic behind your argument.

Since you keep using the phrase "personal preference", let's be clear on what that phrase normally means:

Personal preference applies when you decide what you want for yourself.
When you impose your personal preference on someone else then it's gone beyond personal preference.

Maybe you might answer this question for me... When the "man of God" tells someone it's not God's will for them to marry someone else because of their racial differences, how is that personal preference? (Please explain sir.)

Sorry I had to cut it short. I knew that this type of reply was coming, but I had an urgent call that tied me up for a few minutes. I simply just hit reply and waited. (Then the call did not take that long.)

Personal preference would be just that: one's personal preferance. When I read that someone would rather individual's of different races not marry, yet not force it on them, then it is just that: personal preference.

I already know what you are going to say to this, but if you are not from around Louisiana and Mississippi, you really have no clue as to why a pastor would talk to someone about this. I know of no one that would NOT marry inidividuals due to race. I do know some that have already passed on that felt that way. I know of men that are trying their hardest to get black people in their church and cannot due to the history that exist in the south. There are still black churches and white churches. Whites do not feel comfortable in a black church and blacks do not feel comfortable in a white church. Yes, racism is very much a factor there. And for that reason, some men feel it better to not encourage interracial marriages.

Again, I know of no one that has not married an individual due to race alone.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

I have stated that interracial marriages do not bother me. What bothered me is that you misrepresented CAF. You have tried to back track out of it, but it plainly states that you got off of CAF for this reason and "many" others as well .

Bro. Sackett,

Would you encourage interracial marriage between "white" and "black" saints?
I excluded myself from CAF for various reasons, and the alarming votes and bodily-harm threatening PM's played a role in my departure! I saved the lovely PM's my dearly beloved conservative brethren so craftily structured with such elegant verbiage.

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

I find it hard to believe that you would get off of CAF because 6 voted that they did not agree with interracial marriages. Thus, I feel, that you are insinuating to the members here of AFF that an most of CAF (that group of rabid conservative preachers) men of God preach / teach against interracial marriages.

Respectfully, it's your ignorance that assumes the insinuations you've repeatedly accused me of executing.

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

It is a subliminal thought that you are using against another forum to try and degrade it. It is your right to leave, but why not be Christian enough about it and leave in good stands instead of running degrading it whether it would be subliminal or not..

If degrading CAF were my intentions, why not begin the selfsame day I resigned? Please utilize valid criteria when presenting accusations.

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

Finally, the assumption can be found right in paragraph number 1. You stated that you resigned membership with CAF due to interracial marriage differences and many other things..

Exactly! My departure wasn't based solely upon interracial marriage.

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

I'm sorry, I don't get it. ..

I can arrive to that conclusion without you verbalizing it, but I appreciate the confession. I forgive you, go a sin no more.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

Let's just say that I totally disagree with you. It's not prejudice. It is personal preference.

The people who "personally prefer" to not date out side of their race solely because of race are at the bare minimum bigots.

They are ensnared in the sin of bigotry and they need to repent of their attitudes that are not of God.

[ronharvey]

Wow,

You guys blow me away.

Bless God, If you don't embrace interracial marriage, your a Redneck, Hillbilly, Nazi, and anything else I case to call you because I can be prejudiced against you by claiming your prejudice.

And, I can fly it in the face of ALL the Bible that tells me that God has set the boundaries of the gentiles that they cannot cross.

And heaven forbid Arron becoming the High Priest because he stuck a spear through an Israelite in his tent: because that Israelite broke a commandment of God and took a wife of a different nation (family).

I attend an assembly that knows full well I don't believe in interracial marriage.

But, our assembly if full of interracial couples.

I am good friends with many of them, I just simply don't share their belief that it doesn't matter.

So, you guys can pretend your not spritural rednecks if you want, but this thread shows you are just as hateful and pre-judging as you accuse others of being.

Ron

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

Sorry I had to cut it short. I knew that this type of reply was coming, but I had an urgent call that tied me up for a few minutes. I simply just hit reply and waited. (Then the call did not take that long.)

Personal preference would be just that: one's personal preferance. When I read that someone would rather individual's of different races not marry, yet not force it on them, then it is just that: personal preference.

I already know what you are going to say to this, but if you are not from around Louisiana and Mississippi, you really have no clue as to why a pastor would talk to someone about this. I know of no one that would NOT marry inidividuals due to race. I do know some that have already passed on that felt that way. I know of men that are trying their hardest to get black people in their church and cannot due to the history that exist in the south. There are still black churches and white churches. Whites do not feel comfortable in a black church and blacks do not feel comfortable in a white church. Yes, racism is very much a factor there. And for that reason, some men feel it better to not encourage interracial marriages.

Again, I know of no one that has not married an individual due to race alone.

Sir,

Righteousness is not situational. Righteousness is not relative.

Righteousness is righteousness and sin is sin, all day long.

You can put lipstick on a pig....

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by ronharvey

Wow,


I attend an assembly that knows full well I don't believe in interracial marriage.


Ron

I am glad that God forgives you every time you ask Him tfor forgiveness for the things you know and don't know are sin. Maybe God has you there to work the purging of your heart from the sin of racial prejudice.

As a New Testament Christian, the Bible is really clear that in Christ, there are no differences of race.


Humbly, I have no stones to throw. God forgives us all, even when we don't know it.

[MissBrattified]

"To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers -"

The TITLE is indicative of to whom the post is addressed, not who is being indicted.

Why single out the "All CAF'ers" part? I didn't take the "ALL...AFF'ers" section of the title to mean that "All" or even "most" AFFers are opposed to interracial marriage. To borrow from Michael Phelps just yesterday...why the smoke screen? Address the issue and quit pretending that ICorinth brought up some false accusation.

I have encountered quite a bit of prejudice in the Apostolic church, from independent churches to moderate churches to liberal churches. And while it is sometimes veiled under a concern for the marital relationship or with the children, many times it is blatant, ugly and raw. And sometimes it is in the reverse. (e.g., black churches who don't really reach out to or accept white people)

This should NOT be the case in God's church. The ONLY prohibition is regarding a believer and unbeliever, and EVEN THEN...if a couple are married, God expects them to honor their covenant to one another.

I am surprised by the number of ministers who, in spite of professing diversity, still object to performing marriages with interracial couples. It is disheartening, to say the least. At the very least, they should show a bit more courage, and strive to be examples, rather than fearful of the foul opinions of racist saints. (I choked on that oxymoron.)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by ronharvey

And heaven forbid Arron becoming the High Priest because he stuck a spear through an Israelite in his tent: because that Israelite broke a commandment of God and took a wife of a different nation (family).


Ron

Ron,

Is your ancestry 100% Welsh?
Is your ancestry 100% Hungarian?

I'd venture to say that in your very own family there are people from different "families" who have married and now, by God's Grace, you are alive today.

So keeping with your "family" argument, the citizens of France are French. The citizens of the Czech Republic are Czech. The citizens of America are Americans.

An American should not marry a someone from the Czech Republic because they are of a different family.

Surely a white American and a Black American would have more in common with each other than a white American and a white Czech, right?

That's because they (the American and the Czech) are of different families, as you have said.

Ron, we are of the same family-- especially if we are Americans.
We are definitely of the same family, with God as our Father and Christ our Savior, if we are indeed saved.

So where does race come into play, when discussing "family"?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by ronharvey

Wow,

You guys blow me away.

Bless God, If you don't embrace interracial marriage, your a Redneck, Hillbilly, Nazi, and anything else I case to call you because I can be prejudiced against you by claiming your prejudice.

And, I can fly it in the face of ALL the Bible that tells me that God has set the boundaries of the gentiles that they cannot cross.

And heaven forbid Arron becoming the High Priest because he stuck a spear through an Israelite in his tent: because that Israelite broke a commandment of God and took a wife of a different nation (family).

I attend an assembly that knows full well I don't believe in interracial marriage.

But, our assembly if full of interracial couples.

I am good friends with many of them, I just simply don't share their belief that it doesn't matter.

So, you guys can pretend your not spiritual rednecks if you want, but this thread shows you are just as hateful and pre-judging as you accuse others of being.

Ron

How does it matter? Or rather, in what way[s] does it matter?