Jail house Christianity and Jesus Name People - Page 5

revrandy · #41 02-20-2009, 03:20 PM

Doctrine includes Salvation...

One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism...who could argue against the Word of God?

SDG · #42 02-20-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Yes I do think a properly adminstered baptism could absolutely make a difference.

If did not matter how a baptism was adminstered then why would have Paul
rebaptized the believers in Acts. 19

Daniel you are injecting things into this conversation that are not entirely true. I am sure what Margie is saying is true, but we have men out of prison are some are still struggling. -Lets be true to the word of God, not necessarily my experience in baptism as you put.

But you can not take my experience away from me Daniel. I have been clean and sober for 25 yrs! I been to other churches had other baptisms-but nothing like Acts 2:38. Sorry I am going to tell my testimony over and over again! Guess what, we will baptize someone again on Sunday-in a way that you do not seem to agree with anymore, Daniel.

Ok, what is confusing me as an admin and a poster is why are we having to defend Jesus Name baptism on this forum? This should be a given.

As far as 'slapping' other prisoners in face as you put it--you are looking at the wrong way entirely. Baptism in Jesus name does not take away from what a person already has but adds to it.

Liz they were rebaptized because they had been baptized unto John ....
in Acts 19 ...
They were subsequently baptized INTO THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ... into the person of Christ....

This is in stark contrast to you and a trinitarian, today ... both placing faith in Christ for their salvation.

A person baptized in ceremony naming the titles is placing faith in Jesus Christ in the same manner as you did ... NO DIFFERENCE.

I take nothing away from your experience but I think it is you that are taking away from those who have a "properly administered baptism" which you cannot validate makes a difference or adds .... in the person's Sprit-led walk... either anectdotally or scripturally. Other than those you've been in contact with while there are others who have similar success stories without your type experience.

You don't need to defend Jesus name baptism, Liz. I believe it ... and practice it. My church does too.

But don't confuse your one revelation with the salvation only Christ affords ... nor your personal experience as normative for others.

Normative initiation ... I'll accept ... normative "replicative" experiences ... with superior type baptisms adding to a birth in and by His Spirit ... nope.

revrandy · #43 02-20-2009, 03:25 PM

Somebody's been reading the Gospel of Inclusion...

SDG · #44 02-20-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Somebody's been reading the Gospel of Inclusion...

Somebody doesn't know that words mean things ... but this coming from a thread hi-jacker who posts on a forum who thinks Emergent Church is the same as PCI doctrine ... or that relevant theology is the same as relative theology ..

You spit out terms like Charismatic and the Gospel of Inclusion because your friends spew them... neither having implications here.

Invest in a dictionary, Randy.

Pastor Keith · #45 02-20-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Liz they were rebaptized because they had been baptized unto John ....
in Acts 19 ...
They were subsequently baptized INTO THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ... into the person of Christ....

This is in stark contrast to you and a trinitarian, today ... both placing faith in Christ for their salvation.

A person baptized in ceremony naming the titles is placing faith in Jesus Christ in the same manner as you did ... NO DIFFERENCE.

I take nothing away from your experience but I think it is you that are taking away from those who have a "properly administered baptism" which you cannot validate makes a difference or adds .... in the person's Sprit-led walk... either anectdotally or scripturally. Other than those you've been in contact with while there are others who have similar success stories without your type experience.

You don't need to defend Jesus name baptism, Liz. I believe it ... and practice it. My church does too.

But don't confuse your one revelation with the salvation only Christ affords ... nor your personal experience as normative for others.

Normative initiation ... I'll accept ... normative "replicative" experiences ... with superior type baptisms adding to a birth in His Spirit ... nope.

I could be wrong, but I find it a rare thing for someone to be calling on the name of Jesus while going down in the titles, of course the same could be said for those be baptized in Jesus name, my hope is that this changes to where the baptizee is instructed to call on the name of Jesus before baptism.

Hard to do while going under, but maybe with technology that can happen sometime soon.

Pastor Keith · #46 02-20-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Somebody doesn't know that words mean things ... but this coming from a thread hi-jacker who posts on a forum who thinks Emergent Church is the same as PCI doctrine ... or that relevant theology is the same as relative theology ..

You spit out terms like Charismatic and the Gospel of Inclusion because your friends spew them... neither having implications here.

Invest in a dictionary, Randy.

Folks, be civil!

revrandy · #47 02-20-2009, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Somebody doesn't know that words mean things ... but this coming from a thread hi-jacker who posts on a forum who thinks Emergent Church is the same as PCI doctrine ... or that relevant theology is the same as relative theology ..

You spit out terms like Charismatic and the Gospel of Inclusion because your friends spew them... neither having implications here.

Invest in a dictionary, Randy.

It is nice to know that you can interpret what folks believe...then you criticize them and then say you and your church believes the same...

interpretation...It doesn't take a dictionary to see somebody has some serious issues...

Elizabeth · #48 02-20-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Liz they were rebaptized because they had been baptized unto John ....
in Acts 19 ...
They were subsequently baptized INTO THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ... into the person of Christ....

This is in stark contrast to you and a trinitarian, today ... both placing faith in Christ for their salvation.

A person baptized in ceremony naming the titles is placing faith in Jesus Christ in the same manner as you did ... NO DIFFERENCE.

I take nothing away from your experience but I think it is you that are taking away from those who have a "properly administered baptism" which you cannot validate makes a difference or adds .... in the person's Spirit-led walk... either anectdotally or scripturally. Other than those you've been in contact with while there are others who have similar success stories without your type experience.

You don't need to defend Jesus name baptism, Liz. I believe it ... and practice it. My church does too.

But don't confuse your one revelation with the salvation only Christ affords ... nor your personal experience as normative for others.

Normative initiation ... I'll accept ... normative "replicative" experiences ... with superior type baptisms adding to a birth in His Spirit ... nope.

Daniel I really hope that you know what you are talking about. We do not have the right to change anything that has been given us by example in scriptures.

I actually see where you are coming from, but I do not think you know exactly where I am coming from.

I am struggling teaching the Celebrate Recovery stuff, it does NOT mention Baptism with it's salvation study at all-then it goes to suggest that repeating a prayer and teaches one is saved forever--this is not the normative biblical experience.

Now I am more inclined in someone believing that they have called on the name of the Lord in Baptism --that is for them to decide.

But to suggest less than, and seeing people struggle with sin- God does have something more for them.

revrandy · #49 02-20-2009, 03:36 PM

You can't discount a Person's Salvation by not preaching the Whole Gospel...

Whether we agree or disagree on standards the Gospel is what the Gospel is...

The Death, Burial and the Resurrection...

Repents... Baptism...and the Infilling of the Holy Ghost...

revrandy · #50 02-20-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Daniel I really hope that you know what you are talking about. We do not have the right to change anything that has been given us by example in scriptures.

I actually see where you are coming from, but I do not think you know exactly where I am coming from.

I am struggling teaching the Celebrate Recovery stuff, it does NOT mention Baptism with it's salvation study at all-then it goes to suggest that repeating a prayer and teaches one is saved forever--this is not the normative biblical experience.

Now I am more inclined in someone believing that they have called on the name of the Lord themselves in Baptism --that is for them to decide.

But to suggest less than, and seeing people struggle with sin- God does have something more for them.

I take it you can only use the Book they give you?