Would Jesus And The Apostles Recognize The Church

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Originally Posted by Aquila

... For example, for some folks nearly anything is sin. If you look at a beautiful woman or gaze at a nice care you'd like to have you've sinned (they claim it's covetousness). Even though you never acted on anything or went crazy. Others (the school I'm most closely tied to) would say that sin is strictly defined by the Ten Commandments. If that's the case, I can honestly say that I have no sin in my life either at this point.

So it all boils down to, how do you define "sin" and what "sins" are to be avoided? What are your thoughts brother?

Sin is transgression of Torah. The standard of Torah declared us to be sinners in the sight of God and declared Yeshua to be sinless.



Would Jesus and the Apostles recognize The Church? Not by a longshot.

Yeshua taught His Disciples to be great in the Kingdom of G-d by keeping even the least of the commandments of Torah and teaching others to do the same. The Law remains and so does the 7th Day Sabbath, yet the majority of the followers of Jesus pick and choose the parts of scripture they want to apply to their lives instead of realizing that putting the lifestyle of Torah into their life is essentially putting The Master into their lives, since Yeshua IS The Living Torah.

We're supposed to be keeping Torah. G-d didn't give the Torah to Israel to be saved, redeemed, or atoned for, nor did He give it so they could attain a specific level of righteousness: He gave it so they could be in covenant relationship with Him. The First Covenant isn't The Torah: the First Covenant is when all of Israel said (paraphrased) "We will hear and we will obey all that ADONAI tells us," and what He told them is Torah, which means instruction, not Law.

We'll all be keeping Torah in the Age to Come, evidenced by Zechariah 14 which says that all will keep the Festival of Booths (and woe to them that doesn't).

In conclusion, we don't keep Torah to attain our own level of righteousness or to be saved; we keep Torah because we ARE saved. While there's nothing wrong with worship on the 1st day of the week, we forget that even Paul kept the 7th day Sabbath. He tells us to be imitators of him, just as he is an imitator of Christ: Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath. He also kept the appointed times of ADONAI (the feasts of Lev. 23) and held strict adherence to the dietary laws.

This isn't about attaining righteousness, it's about demonstrating obedience. Yeshua kept Torah out of obedience and He fulfilled The Torah by DOING IT, not doing away with it. As the One who gave The Torah in the first place, Yeshua then came as ADONAI manifest in flesh and showed us the fullest expression and meaning of Torah. Yeshua kept Torah, not according to Pharisaical Judaism or Sadducean Judaism, but according to Jesus-ism; as His followers, so should we.