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Old 10-19-2009, 10:29 PM
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Re: Do you have "The Revelation"?

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Thats it! When was it the world did not know the Father? Could it be when Yeshua was here on Earth?

Also consider this:

28: And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29: If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 2:28-29

Do we abide in Jesus? Is he the one that will appear? Is he righteous?

If you answered yes to these questions take note who you have been born of in verse 29.

We are BORN OF JESUS!

If we are BORN OF HIM I take that as meaning he is the Father.

Could it be that Jesus being our Father is the VERY SAME FATHER as in the very next verse?

1 Jn. 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

If we were BORN OF JESUS in the preceeding verse how could he not be the Father in this verse?
If Jesus is the Father, then Jesus is his own God.
Prooftexts of this:
Ephesians 1:3 says "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ ..." Clearly this shows our Lord Jesus Christ had a God and Father. His God and Father could not be himself else you would be claiming that God has a God and we know that God has no God.

Hebrews 1:8-9 says of Christ "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed the with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." The Son is spoken of as having a God. Sounds kinda odd to say the Son is God, but he has a God. God has no God!
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