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Old 02-06-2010, 10:27 PM
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Re: What If We Didn't Have The Bible?

It's disconcerting that people seem to complicate the simplicity of the gospel - I will agree to that. The good news is that Christ saves those that come to the foot of the cross, regardless of the religious muck they go through to get to HIM.

Still, ONE way. ONE destination. It's about Jesus.

If there is no heaven and no hell? Then there is no Jesus and we are all deceived along with Lennon.
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Old 02-06-2010, 10:32 PM
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Re: What If We Didn't Have The Bible?

This is from the book by Bishop G.T. Haywood on The Resurrection.
Bishop G.T. Haywood was a respected leader and teacher in the Apostolic movement for many years.

The Second Resurrection.

According to the inspired word of God the resurrection of the "blessed and Holy" is completed a thousand years before the second resurrection. It is from this point that we are obliged to note the difference between partakers of the two resurrections.

After the thousand years expire "the rest of the dead" (those who did not come forth in the first resurrection) both righteous and wicked, live again and are made to stand before God. It is then that Jesus separates them as a shepherd divideth the sheep from the goats according to Matt. 25:31-46.

In this resurrection is included all the righteous men of all ages who walked in all the light that they were given. It is my candid opinion that all heathen, Israelites, Christian professors who have never heard the true gospel of Christ and those who die during the millennium, walking in the light of their times will be given eternal life at the last resurrection.

Many righteous people have died without the Holy Ghost and the question has been asked: "Where will they come in?" They shall be given eternal life in the last day. They shall inherit the New Earth where life eternal reigns because "there shall be no more death.

If we desire to take part in the first resurrection we must be filled with the same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. It is the church of the First-born that takes part in the first resurrection. To enter into that Church, which is his body, we must be baptized into it by both water and the Spirit. (See John 3:5; Rom. 6:3-5; 1 Cor. 12:12, 13; Gal. 3:26-28.

The time for the first resurrection is at hand. Are you preparing to meet the Bridegroom? You must get oil within your vessels and have your lamps trimmed and burning. Soon shall we hear the midnight cry - "BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH."
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Re: What If We Didn't Have The Bible?

Thanks, Sam, for the quotes. I suppose you'd agree with Paul, that even without the Bible, at least some people would know right and wrong. What about Bishop Haywood? Is that what is known as "light doctrine" and/or UR? Do you agree with it?
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It's disconcerting that people seem to complicate the simplicity of the gospel - I will agree to that. The good news is that Christ saves those that come to the foot of the cross, regardless of the religious muck they go through to get to HIM.

Still, ONE way. ONE destination. It's about Jesus.

If there is no heaven and no hell? Then there is no Jesus and we are all deceived along with Lennon.
Would we know about heaven and hell, without the Bible?
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Would we know about heaven and hell, without the Bible?
Well, quite frankly Timmy, it seems foolish and unprofitable to me to ask these questions with any degree of seriousness. We have the Bible. It's a reality - to me at least.
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Old 02-06-2010, 11:14 PM
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Thanks, Sam, for the quotes. I suppose you'd agree with Paul, that even without the Bible, at least some people would know right and wrong. What about Bishop Haywood? Is that what is known as "light doctrine" and/or UR? Do you agree with it?
The passage in Romans could mean that those who have not heard or those who have not understood the Bible will be judged by how well they lived up to their conscience or to what "light" they had.

That is called the Light Doctrine by some and is what Bishop Haywood taught. Actually, Bro. Norris at the Apostolic Bible Institute and Clyde Haney at WABC as it was called back then, taught it also.

Yes, I believe that. In my opinion, Matthew 25:31-46 is that second resurrection that Bishop Haywood spoke about and some folks receive eternal life there who did not seem to realize that they had been serving Jesus in their lifetime.
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It's disconcerting that people seem to complicate the simplicity of the gospel - I will agree to that. The good news is that Christ saves those that come to the foot of the cross, regardless of the religious muck they go through to get to HIM.

Still, ONE way. ONE destination. It's about Jesus.

If there is no heaven and no hell? Then there is no Jesus and we are all deceived along with Lennon.

I'm not sure if Lennon was deceived or fed up. I believe we can learn much about the culture that surrounds us by studying songs like "Imagine". There's much to be learned from it. Lennon was on to something.

He saw religion as a place of agendas and he saw heaven and hell attached to those agendas. And those religious agenda resulted in wars an hunger, in his opinion. Did he have a point? One could argue strongly that he did.

Contrary to what many defensive Christians think, he wasn't taking a shot a Christianity, he was taking a shot a world religion, and hopefully we could all admit that world religion has a history of really messing things up.

If the Christian culture is to reach people who write songs like this, it would do us good to be in touch with the song.
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Contrary to what many defensive Christians think, he wasn't taking a shot a Christianity, he was taking a shot a world religion, and hopefully we could all admit that world religion has a history of really messing things up.
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We Christians have certainly done our share of "messing things up."

Look at the religious war in Northern Ireland.

Look at the anti-semitism practiced by Catholi and Protestand Europeans over the years culminating in the Holocaust.

Look at what white Christians did when they believed in Manifest Destiny and practiced genocide against the Native Americans to promote their Christian Nation.

Look what exclusivist holiness preachers, churches, and organizations are doing right now against all who don't accept their narrow interpretation of Christianity.
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Suppose the Bible didn't exist. What would happen? Would every one who was ever born end up in hell, since nobody would know how to be saved?
There was a time when there was no written revelation of God. Word of mouth passed down from Adam. General revelation...the heavens tell of the glory of God. All of creation attests to there being a Creator. Our conscience given to us by our creator to know the difference between good and evil. God has always made himself and his will known to man.
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Would everyone commit all kinds of sin, since we wouldn't know what God commands us to do or not to do?
Have you ever read the book of Genesis? None of those men written in that book had a written revelation of God. Yet Enoch knew how to walk with God. Noah preached righteousness, etc...
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