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Originally Posted by brad2723
I don't see where homosexuality is included as a sin at all. It is simply the punishment God gave them over to as a result of their disobedience and idolatry.
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That is the point. If it is a punishment, then it is not innocent in and of itself, and is sin. God does not give people over to things that are innocent. He gives them over to things that ........ their souls
and are deeper sins. Homosexuality was a damning activity and lifestyle. So, God saw idolaters and gave them over to the activity and lifestyle that others were already involved with that were damning their souls.
It is the same as follows:
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2Th 2:10-12 KJV And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Rom 1:18-19 KJV For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; (19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:21 KJV Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:24 KJV Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:26 KJV For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
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Homosexuality is dishonouring their own bodies. That activity in and of itself is so. Whether a person says they love God or not, they are dishonouring their own bodies. That is sin. It is disgracing their own bodies between themselves. It is degradation of sexuality. Perversion, in other words. Sin! It is taking God's creation -- our very bodies -- and snuffing out all dignity in them.
Paul spoke of this as well in listing sexual sins when he mentioned fornication. He said it is SINNING AGAINST YOUR OWN BODY.
1Co 6:18 KJV Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Fornication is all sexual sins. If dishonouring your body and snuffing out all dignity in it is not sexual sin, then what is it? If something that God gave people over to was not damnable, then why did He give them over to it?
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2 Thess 2, God saw that people chose not to honour Him by loving the truth, just as
Romans 1 noted, and took that and gave them over to what was worse... not what was innocent. When God gives someone over to to something, it is something that in and of itself is damnable. Homosexuality was damnable in and of itself, aside from anything to do with idolatry. You are proving my point by admitting it is what God gave people over to as punishment. Like I said, he never gives people over to caring for puppy dogs as a punishment.
You said that idolatry mingled with homosexuality was not the case with homosexuals who "love" God. Paul never said that was the case. He said that idolatry was grounds for God to give people over to extreme sins that they might be damned. This means that homosexuality in and of itself is damnable. This makes your argument that says homosexuals who love God are hardly comparable to idolaters who are given over to homosexuality entirely moot.
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