Prayer has never left school ... Nor has our omniscient God .... I can pray and your kids can pray at school whenever they choose appropriate ...
Just as long as this prayer is not gov't sponsored ... and I am definitely cool with that .... it helps the cause rather than politicizing it.
Absolutely. I'm too young (love saying that) to remember mandated prayer in school. I've read the prayer and it's impressive. But it was a canned attempt to pretend that we were a Godly nation.
No, prayer has never left school. When there is a law passed that prohibits an individual silently praying over their lunch at school, or a test, then we can pass petitions. But even THEN, the Ecumenical Church, historically has never prospered so greatly as when it is opposed so greatly.
If we really want "revival" in America, if we learn from history, we will pray that Christianity will become illegal. I'll bet we would REALLY pray then! Might be the first time for some folks!
Absolutely. I'm too young (love saying that) to remember mandated prayer in school. I've read the prayer and it's impressive. But it was a canned attempt to pretend that we were a Godly nation.
No, prayer has never left school. When there is a law passed that prohibits an individual silently praying over their lunch at school, or a test, then we can pass petitions. But even THEN, the Ecumenical Church, historically has never prospered so greatly as when it is opposed so greatly.
If we really want "revival" in America, if we learn from history, we will pray that Christianity will become illegal. I'll bet we would REALLY pray then! Might be the first time for some folks!
And I'm old enough to remember! Uh. Hmmm. Aw, shoot. Now I'm too old to remember!
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Prayer has never left school ... Nor has our omniscient God .... I can pray and your kids can pray at school whenever they choose appropriate ...
Just as long as this prayer is not gov't sponsored ... and I am definitely cool with that .... it helps the cause rather than politicizing it.
I was personally a fan of "allowing" sanctioned prayer in schools. My civic opinion. I felt it was a good thing and though it didn't guarantee al students had a personal relationship with Jesus, it fostered an environment that was closer to a Biblical worldview than a secular. This is certainly a civic matter though, and to each his own opinion.
However, it is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility and biblical precedent that any of them COULD be. IMO, it is just as wrong to say that they can't be as it is to make the idiotic statement PR did. . . .
Sorry to pick on you, MOW, but this is a good example of what several posters have been saying. But, without realizing it, and probably without admitting it, you and the others are contradicting yourselves.
On one hand, you say it is possible that God is, in fact, bringing judgment on Haiti (and other places). You don't know how to tell if He is or isn't, but there it is. It is possible (you say).
Oh the other hand, you denigrate Pat Robertson for pointing out specific cases of God's judgment. Even if you can't tell if it was God, what makes you so sure that PR can't tell, either? Isn't it possible that he has better discernment or words of knowledge than you? And if he does, how could it wrong to say what he said? How is it idiotic?
I'm starting to wonder if you guys are just as skeptical, deep inside, as I am about things like this!
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Sorry to pick on you, MOW, but this is a good example of what several posters have been saying. But, without realizing it, and probably without admitting it, you and the others are contradicting yourselves.
On one hand, you say it is possible that God is, in fact, bringing judgment on Haiti (and other places). You don't know how to tell if He is or isn't, but there it is. But it is possible (you say).
Oh the other hand, you denigrate Pat Robertson for pointing out specific cases of God's judgment. Even if you can't tell if it was God, what makes you so sure that PR can't tell, either? Isn't it possible that he has better discernment or words of knowledge than you? And if he does, how could it wrong to say what he said? How is it idiotic?
I'm starting to wonder if you guys are just as skeptical, deep inside, as I am about things like this!
I understand what he's saying - - with God anything is possible. He can move mountains, he could cause the rocks to cry out.......so, he doesn't believe God would bring judgment on Haiti, but he's not God. With God anything is possible since we do not understand the mind of God.
Everything with God doesn't fit into our black and white boxes. That causes some to stumble.
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I understand what he's saying - - with God anything is possible. He can move mountains, he could cause the rocks to cry out.......so, he doesn't believe God would bring judgment on Haiti, but he's not God. With God anything is possible since we do not understand the mind of God.
Everything with God is not black and white. That causes some to stumble.
You don't think he contradicted himself? OK, wait. That isn't quite the right word. In that post, he said two things that don't exactly contradict, but they are at odds with each other in a major way. (Does that make sense? )
But my question stands: how can anyone who believes that God does things (such as healing people or killing thousands of people), and believes that God speaks to people, and often says God did this or that, criticize anyone else for saying the very same thing? PR says God is punishing Haiti. Richard Gazowsky says God told him to make a movie. Moses says God told him to have the army capture little girls. Todd Bentley says God told him to kick somebody so they would be healed. How do you know which claims are true and which are not?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
You don't think he contradicted himself? OK, wait. That isn't quite the right word. In that post, he said two things that don't exactly contradict, but they are at odds with each other in a major way. (Does that make sense? )
But my question stands: how can anyone who believes that God does things (such as healing people or killing thousands of people), and believes that God speaks to people, and often says God did this or that, criticize anyone else for saying the very same thing? PR says God is punishing Haiti. Richard Gazowsky says God told him to make a movie. Moses says God told him to have the army capture little girls. Todd Bentley says God told him to kick somebody so they would be healed. How do you know which claims are true and which are not?
Outside looking in you can't know, but if you are full of His Spirit, then you are in tune with him and discernment should be a part of the equation.
Now, don't bring up the MS Camp Meeting and Borat...........
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I understand what he's saying - - with God anything is possible. He can move mountains, he could cause the rocks to cry out.......so, he doesn't believe God would bring judgment on Haiti, but he's not God. With God anything is possible since we do not understand the mind of God.
Everything with God doesn't fit into our black and white boxes. That causes some to stumble.
Yes, God can do anything. But does He? No. I could beat the living daylights out of my son. Do I? Of course not. ManofWord is trying to have it both ways. I guess it's that awful "middle" he spoke of that he's trying to achieve.
Sorry to pick on you, MOW, but this is a good example of what several posters have been saying. But, without realizing it, and probably without admitting it, you and the others are contradicting yourselves.
On one hand, you say it is possible that God is, in fact, bringing judgment on Haiti (and other places). You don't know how to tell if He is or isn't, but there it is. It is possible (you say).
Oh the other hand, you denigrate Pat Robertson for pointing out specific cases of God's judgment. Even if you can't tell if it was God, what makes you so sure that PR can't tell, either? Isn't it possible that he has better discernment or words of knowledge than you? And if he does, how could it wrong to say what he said? How is it idiotic?
I'm starting to wonder if you guys are just as skeptical, deep inside, as I am about things like this!
It is possible that he is right. He just doesn't have a very good track record. As far as being idiotic, it's idiotic because that's my opinion and the fact that PR doesn't seem to leave open the possibility that it ISN'T. Kind of arrogant, if you ask me.
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