The Name

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

So why the defense of calling the Name of Jesus "a magic name"?

At times you use the same plays if your look closer.

But I still love you!

Specks and beams can come down to a matter of ones prospective.

Dan,

Who called it a magic name ... ???? I am examining the fallacy of some who approach it as such.

I love you too my good brother. It's when we start reading too much in between the lines that we get into trouble.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Dan,

Who called it a magic name ... ???? I am examining the fallacy of some who approach it as such.

I love you too my good brother. It's when we start reading too much in between the lines that we get into trouble.

Which I think you did with Bro. Epley.

Explain how you fell some approach it as a magic name?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Which I think you did with Bro. Epley.

Explain how you fell some approach it as a magic name?

I gave one example in post #9.

[Michael The Disciple]

A great topic! I was drawn into the "Apostolic Faith" because of the authority carried by Acts 4:12. I was baptized into it and rejoiced. Then later when I learned about the original Hebrew name I rejoiced over that.

I thought Apostolics who championed the teaching of the name would be glad to hear more truth about it. Boy was I wrong! So far I have never been in a thread on this subject where it was a discussion. Rather most participating rush to criticize even discussing it.

At no time have I EVER reproached the English version of the name. It is the most beautiful name in our language. Yet we know it is not the same name the Apostles called him. It is not the same name that Peter spoke in Acts 4:12.

Yes its true that some out there ARE teaching that the name Jesus will not save. That is not MY POSITION. However if we know the original and we have the same sounds in our OWN language why not use it?

It seems to me the Apostolics fear that Acts 4:12 has come back to challenge THEM! Instead of rejoicing that more truth is being revealed they are now offened that someone might say to them as they have said to many others "there is no other name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved".

So those who have championed the doctrine of the name resent the actual name that is was given to the early Church. Of course I think I am starting to see some openess among them but the norm is still to criticize the name above all names that should be held in the highest possible honor.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Some also use His marvelous name in vain repetition ... in prayer ... or when they want things to come there way .....

Jesus said:

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." -Matthew 6:7

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I gave one example in post #9.

I happen to agree with you. Nothing wrong with calling on the name of Jesus, but I don't think it grows in power with each rep. It is The Name, with all power!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

A great topic! I was drawn into the "Apostolic Faith" because of the authority carried by Acts 4:12. I was baptized into it and rejoiced. Then later when I learned about the original Hebrew name I rejoiced over that.

I thought Apostolics who championed the teaching of the name would be glad to hear more truth about it. Boy was I wrong! So far I have never been in a thread on this subject where it was a discussion. Rather most participating rush to criticize even discussing it.

At no time have I EVER reproached the English version of the name. It is the most beautiful name in our language. Yet we know it is not the same name the Apostles called him. It is not the same name that Peter spoke in Acts 4:12.

Yes its true that some out there ARE teaching that the name Jesus will not save. That is not MY POSITION. However if we know the original and we have the same sounds in our OWN language why not use it?

It seems to me the Apostolics fear that Acts 4:12 has come back to challenge THEM! Instead of rejoicing that more truth is being revealed they are now offened that someone might say to them as they have said to many others "there is no other name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved".

So those who have championed the doctrine of the name resent the actual name that is was given to the early Church. Of course I think I am starting to see some openess among them but the norm is still to criticize the name above all names that should be held in the highest possible honor.

This purist name position has no biblical merit ... Yeshua ... Jesus ... Jesucristo ... all refer to HIM

[Margies3]

Interesting that this thread popped up today. I was thinking about starting one very similiar.

Last night we watched "The Nativity Story" (don't bother, it's not that great).
but one thing that struck me last night that never has before was when the angel went to John's father and told him, "His name is to be JOHN". Why? Why was that name so important? God must have had a reason, but I just don't understand what it would be.

And then God chose the name for His son as well. I guess that one makes a little more sense to me. We are adoptive parents and both of our boys came to us already "named". We were given the option of changing those names, but decided not to. But naming a child is certainly the privilege of the parents - dont you agree? So I suppose that, in a sense, by God choosing the name for His own son, He was sealing the fact that He claimed paternity. But maybe there is more to it than that? Any thoughts??

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This purist name position has no biblical merit ... Yeshua ... Jesus ... Jesucristo ... all refer to HIM

Absolutly agree with ya Dan.

This is a Thread about "The Name" I was simply making a point about, which unfortunaly Elder E, didn't read to the bottom of the page beofre his Hat blew off his head.

I said i am not seriuos.

I do not think that God does not hear when he hears us pronounce "his name" in our English.

I DO NOT think his name is "
magic name"

I do believe we should do all we do in the authority of that name.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I posted this in another thread and then quickly deleted it. I decided that it would be HUGE departure from topic and it wouldn't be fair to the thread to throw such a boulder into the intended flow.

In the "Be Ye Perfect" thread Michael The Disciple used the term Yeshua.

To which AtlantaBishop replied...



My question...

Now why on earth would you say that?

Names are universal.

When I call the lady at the restaurant up town Juanita should I speak to her in spanish?

Why we use a translation of a translation is a bit of a wonder to me.

Names are generally not translated these days. Apparently they were back then.

But I certainly can't see why one would find themselves incorrect for using a pronunciation that is truer to the original name given.

The name spoken by the angel is nearly (if not exactly) the same as the name of the OT Joshua. Why did they end up sounding so differently? Moses had to stay behind and only Joshua (Y@howshuwa` {yeh-ho-shoo'-ah}) could lead them over into the promised land. Joshua was a type of Christ and shares the same basic name with Christ.

One is now called Joshua (sounding very reminiscent of the original pronunciation although there was no "J" sound back then) and one is now called Jesus (bearing almost no resemblance to the original pronunciation)

And we... the "people of the name" criticize one for trying to utter a pronunciation closest to the name the angel demanded Mary give to the Messiah?

Why would we do that?

Any thoughts?

Digging,You tell us all how does a person call on authority If it's not talking about calling on Jesus? Acts.2
[21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Tell us all how authority saves us ? Acts 4:[12] Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name (authority)under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

How are we saved here if Jesus is not important ? The word name (authority)is not hear.Acts16:[31] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Once again how does a person call on authority If it's not talking about calling on Jesus.? Acts.22
[16] And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name(authority) of the Lord.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I posted this in another thread and then quickly deleted it. I decided that it would be HUGE departure from topic and it wouldn't be fair to the thread to throw such a boulder into the intended flow.

In the "Be Ye Perfect" thread Michael The Disciple used the term Yeshua.

To which AtlantaBishop replied...



My question...

Now why on earth would you say that?

Names are universal.

When I call the lady at the restaurant up town Juanita should I speak to her in Spanish?

Why we use a translation of a translation is a bit of a wonder to me.

Names are generally not translated these days. Apparently they were back then.

But I certainly can't see why one would find themselves incorrect for using a pronunciation that is truer to the original name given.

The name spoken by the angel is nearly (if not exactly) the same as the name of the OT Joshua. Why did they end up sounding so differently? Moses had to stay behind and only Joshua (Y@howshuwa` {yeh-ho-shoo'-ah}) could lead them over into the promised land. Joshua was a type of Christ and shares the same basic name with Christ.

One is now called Joshua (sounding very reminiscent of the original pronunciation although there was no "J" sound back then) and one is now called Jesus (bearing almost no resemblance to the original pronunciation)

And we... the "people of the name" criticize one for trying to utter a pronunciation closest to the name the angel demanded Mary give to the Messiah?

Why would we do that?

Any thoughts?

Yes - I will tell you exactly why! BECAUSE WE READ, SPEAK AND WRITE IN ENGLISH! We do not read, speak or write in Hebrew. If I was in Israel and were to baptize a Jew - I would learn the Hebrew translation of Acts 2:38 and baptize the candidate calling on the name of the Lord in HEBREW. If I am in a Spanish speaking nation - I would baptize in Spanish.

The fact of the matter is - I, along with most on this forum and most in America and English speaking nations - do not read, speak or write in Hebrew or other languages. I don't care if the J was not invented until 1955 - it was invented before I was born and used in my teaching and vocabulary and I use it every day and so do you so who cares if there was NOT A J a thousand years ago????????????

I have seen multitudes saved, healed, delivered, baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost - All in the Wonderful Name of our Lord Jesus Christ and I will continue to use the Name that is above every name - JESUS!

Oh yeah - another thing - Everyone of you guys that start off on this Yaway - Yeshua - YAWH - deal - end up growing a long beard and acting crazy and preaching against the letter "J" and EVERY SINGLE ONE has a different pronunciation or spelling to your particular Y name. You don't speak Hebrew - You speak English - Use the translation of the Name in English. JESUS - NO OTHER NAME I KNOW!