There are records throughout history. I have the Post Nicean Fathers and if you know what you are looking for they are mentioned as hereticks. Remember victors are the folks who write histories. The RCC from the 4th century onward ruled or influenced the world. That does not mean if you search they are not there. There is ample evidence from my studies and I am no historian of folks preaching the Acts 2:38 message and the absolute Oneness of God throughout history until the present.
No. Sorry. There is absolutely NO RECORD in either the Post Nicene nor the Ante Nicene Fathers of ANYONE who practiced your idea of the "complete package" - water baptism by immersion in Jesus name, the infilling of the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues and a Oneness view of the Godhead.
Nobody. Not one. Just getting water baptism by immersion is something of a chore in the Post Nicene Fathers; never mind water baptism by immersion in Jesus' name only.
Of course, since you do have at least the "Post Nicene Fathers" it would be easy for you to prove me wrong. Just name one individual in the Post Nicene fathers, one "heretick" or anyone else for that matter who practiced what you advocate and what you insist is the only way to be saved.
No. Sorry. There is absolutely NO RECORD in either the Post Nicene nor the Ante Nicene Fathers of ANYONE who practiced your idea of the "complete package" - water baptism by immersion in Jesus name, the infilling of the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues and a Oneness view of the Godhead.
Nobody. Not one. Just getting water baptism by immersion is something of a chore in the Post Nicene Fathers; never mind water baptism by immersion in Jesus' name only.
Of course, since you do have at least the "Post Nicene Fathers" it would be easy for you to prove me wrong. Just name one individual in the Post Nicene fathers, one "heretick" or anyone else for that matter who practiced what you advocate and what you insist is the only way to be saved.
One example. One name. Go for it.
There are many named as hereticks becuase of their belief in the Oneness of God and baptism in Jesus Name.
The basic fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
If it was agreed that this would be the basic fundamental doctrine (teaching)
at the merger, by both the PCI and the PAJC, then why all the disunity now!
And I know that there are those now that were in the UPC organization
that have evidently believed that their forefathers didn't believe what
has been claimed they believed.
I know that God is NOT the author of confusion, but confusion has been
brought into the camp! May our GREAT and ALMIGHTY GOD resolve this
dis-unity in whatever way HE would see fit, in Jesus Name!
The basic fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
If it was agreed that this would be the basic fundamental doctrine (teaching)
at the merger, by both the PCI and the PAJC, then why all the disunity now!
And I know that there are those now that were in the UPC organization
that have evidently believed that their forefathers didn't believe what
has been claimed they believed.
I know that God is NOT the author of confusion, but confusion has been
brought into the camp! May our GREAT and ALMIGHTY GOD resolve this
dis-unity in whatever way HE would see fit, in Jesus Name!
Falla39
Amen! And the Word clarifies by saying, The Gospel and The Truth. I don't see the Disciples making allowances for other views. And, of course, that doesn't mean to argue, bicker and hate over it.
It seems, IMO, we try to change the view of the scriptures because we can't figure out all the ways of God and His dealings with all peoples. We simply never will and we shouldn't even try.
The basic fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
If it was agreed that this would be the basic fundamental doctrine (teaching)
at the merger, by both the PCI and the PAJC, then why all the disunity now!
And I know that there are those now that were in the UPC organization
that have evidently believed that their forefathers didn't believe what
has been claimed they believed.
I know that God is NOT the author of confusion, but confusion has been
brought into the camp! May our GREAT and ALMIGHTY GOD resolve this
dis-unity in whatever way HE would see fit, in Jesus Name!
Falla39
Sis, I understand how you feel, but the bottom line is that there are far too many things going on in our Churches that leave people drowning with questions.
For instance, speaking in tongues. Our altars have turned into a circus, screaming, yelling, loud music, and begging for this gift. When people "speak" in tongues, the emotional disarray involved has launched people into the great quandary of doubt, wondering why we are NOT like the early Church regarding the Holy Ghost infilling.
We are so off base with this, and we have resorted to outlandish practices to uphold a Tradition that is dying in a lie.
Sis, I understand how you feel, but the bottom line is that there are far too many things going on in our Churches that leave people drowning with questions.
For instance, speaking in tongues. Our altars have turned into a circus, screaming, yelling, loud music, and begging for this gift. When people "speak" in tongues, the emotional disarray involved has launched people into the great quandary of doubt, wondering why we are NOT like the early Church regarding the Holy Ghost infilling.
We are so off base with this, and we have resorted to outlandish practices to uphold a Tradition that is dying in a lie.
Agreed. I have put much study into this of late and I hope to start a thread on the subject soon.
Hybrid Mode
