****have You Heard This Song Before?***

[crakjak]

That's not it, you are just wishing you were singing those songs while you were coming up in PennyCost, hey sister being a conservative holiness Pentecostal is more fun than riding a Harley Davidson. :)

[I]Why don't they sew up those split skirts, shake the devil up!

Why don't they sew up those split skirts, shake the devil up![I]


Hey, Bro. Benincasa,
I see you have your thoughts on the ladies skirts again. Higher, Bro. Higher, above the neck!:snapout

[Evang.Benincasa]

Grace teaches that the proper baptismal mode is in Jesus name ...

Grace church doesn't believe in re-baptisms if they were baptized in titles?


CoC ... where I'm helping w/ their afternoon Spanish service .... does insist on re-baptism.

Now, that I will be helping to lead the Spanish work at GloryLand Church ... we will teach that baptism is properly administered in Jesus name ....

But what about Grace, do they have re-baptisms to all that are not baptized in Jesus name?


Does your church accept Josephus account of Christ's return during 70 AD as canon?

Since when did Josephus teach about Jesus?

Josephus was a Jew.

[SDG]

:scorebad:snapout

I thought it was best question of the entire bunch?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Hey, Bro. Benincasa,
I see you have your thoughts on the ladies skirts again. Higher, Bro. Higher, above the neck!:snapout

CJ, where's your mind Brother? Please kep those things to yourself.

[crakjak]

Grace teaches that the proper baptismal mode is in Jesus name ...

CoC ... where I'm helping w/ their afternoon Spanish service .... does insist on re-baptism.

Now, that I will be helping to lead the Spanish work at GloryLand Church ... we will teach that baptism is properly administered in Jesus name ....

Does your church accept Josephus account of Christ's return during 70 AD as canon?

Don't think so, but He is some very interesting reading, about what was seen in the skies during those days. However, he was not identifying it as Jesus' return, just recording history as he saw it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I thought it was best question of the entire bunch?

You thought?:pirate

[SDG]

Grace church doesn't believe in re-baptisms if they were baptized in titles?



But what about Grace, do they have re-baptisms to all that are not baptized in Jesus name?



Since when did Josephus teach about Jesus?

Josephus was a Jew.

They do not insist that a person be re-baptized .... as the verbalization of a formula by the baptizer does not effectuate salvation ....

Do you believe Christ appeared in 70 AD?

[Praxeas]

Well, we had to break away from the evils of "organizationalism" so we could over come. :beatdeadhorse
Isn't there a song like that? (Yes Lord)

Im trading in Uuuunity
Im trading in Organization
Im layin them down and sowin discord...

Im turnin in my Liiiicense.
Im Dividin the brethren
Im Layin them down and sowin discord.

Or was it the old favorite (we shall over come)
We shall Ultra Cahhhhhhhhhhhh ah on
We Shall Ultra Cahhhhhhhhhhhh ah on

[Joseph Miller]

Isn't there a song like that? (Yes Lord)

Im trading in Uuuunity
Im trading in Organization
Im layin them down and sowin discord...

Im turnin in my Liiiicense.
Im Dividin the brethren
Im Layin them down and sowin discord.

Or was it the old favorite (we shall over come)
We shall Ultra Cahhhhhhhhhhhh ah on
We Shall Ultra Cahhhhhhhhhhhh ah on


:scoregood:scoregood:scoregood

:runhills

[crakjak]

CJ, where's your mind Brother? Please kep those things to yourself.

Just kidding, Brother.

I am joyously in relationship with the wife of my youth, for over thirty-seven years.

[LadyChocolate]

Isn't there a song like that? (Yes Lord)

Im trading in Uuuunity
Im trading in Organization
Im layin them down and sowin discord...

Im turnin in my Liiiicense.
Im Dividin the brethren
Im Layin them down and sowin discord.

Or was it the old favorite (we shall over come)
We shall Ultra Cahhhhhhhhhhhh ah on
We Shall Ultra Cahhhhhhhhhhhh ah on

that is funny!!!

[SDG]

Just kidding, Brother.

I am joyously in relationship with the wife of my youth, for over thirty-seven years.

I was ... but I won't.

[Evang.Benincasa]

They do not insist that a person be re-baptized .... as the verbalization of a formula by the baptizer does not effectuate salvation ....

I will call Grace Monday, I guess things have changed?


Do you believe Christ appeared in 70 AD?

Parousia I believe was in 70 AD.

[Caston Smith]

Being a part of the UPC caused your newsworthy troubles? The UPC HQ is usually severe in those kinds of matters. How did they cause the problem for you?

Revelation 18:4 read that ... we had to do away with the governing aspect of organizationalism ... got tired of emulating the harlot church.

[SDG]

I will call Grace Monday, I guess things have changed?



Parousia I believe was in 70 AD.

Care to elaborate on this extrabiblical teaching ... referring to the year, ofcourse? What is meant by parousia?

[nahkoe]

Now this is FUNNY. :hypercoffee

Isn't there a song like that? (Yes Lord)

Im trading in Uuuunity
Im trading in Organization
Im layin them down and sowin discord...

Im turnin in my Liiiicense.
Im Dividin the brethren
Im Layin them down and sowin discord.

Or was it the old favorite (we shall over come)
We shall Ultra Cahhhhhhhhhhhh ah on
We Shall Ultra Cahhhhhhhhhhhh ah on

[crakjak]

I was ... but I won't.

I am so sorry, Bro.

[Joseph Miller]

Revelation 18:4 read that ... we had to do away with the governing aspect of organizationalism ... got tired of emulating the harlot church.


Hey bro the UPCI is not part of the harlot church. They don't even resemble the harlot church.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Just kidding, Brother.

I am joyously in relationship with the wife of my youth, for over thirty-seven years.

Lord bless you. :)

[Caston Smith]

Hey bro the UPCI is not part of the harlot church. They don't even resemble the harlot church.

Organizations=One head/Presiding Bishop/General Chairman/.... .... RCC=One pope Benedict .... you tell me.

Jesus Christ is the head of the Church ....

[SDG]

I am so sorry, Bro.

It is better to marry than to burn.

[nahkoe]

Revelation 18:4 read that ... we had to do away with the governing aspect of organizationalism ... got tired of emulating the harlot church.


Wow. Just..wow.

[LadyChocolate]

Revelation 18:4 read that ... we had to do away with the governing aspect of organizationalism ... got tired of emulating the harlot church.

so when one separates themselves from the harlot church, how do they separate from a self righteous spirit?

[SDG]

One head .... RCC-One pope Benedict .... you tell me.


You deleted KFH.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Care to elaborate on this extrabiblical teaching ... referring to the year, ofcourse? What is meant by parousia?

Extra Biblical teaching? :pirate

Hey didn't Grace have a big End Time teacher there a while back?

Parousia presence.

[Joseph Miller]

Organizations=One head/Bishop/General Chairman/General Superintendent/Presiding Elder .... .... RCC-One pope Benedict .... you tell me.


UPCI doesn't have One head. They have an executive board and a general board that over sees the org.

[Evang.Benincasa]

It is better to marry than to burn.


So what are you doing for that Dan?

[Caston Smith]

Going to sleep ... goodnight all.

[Evang.Benincasa]

UPCI doesn't have One head. They have an executive board and a general board that over sees the org.

UPCI has one head? As a pope? Who said that?

[SDG]

Extra Biblical teaching? :pirate

Hey didn't Grace have a big End Time teacher there a while back?

Parousia presence.

And what evidence do you use to prove this presence/parasouia happened in 70 AD? Why is it the apostles don't tell us in their epistles of this glorious event w/ clarity?

[Caston Smith]

UPCI doesn't have One head. They have an executive board and a general board that over sees the org.

Uh huh ... RCC=One head/Pope, Cardinals/Bishops=general and executive boards ....

[SDG]

Going to sleep ... goodnight all.

Good nite ... Mighty Casey. I'm going to hit the sack ... long day tomorrow.

[Joseph Miller]

Organizations=One head/Presiding Bishop/General Chairman/.... .... RCC=One pope Benedict .... you tell me.

Jesus Christ is the head of the Church ....

UPCI doesn't have One head. They have an executive board and a general board that over sees the org.

UPCI has one head? As a pope? Who said that?


I was quoteing Caston

[Joseph Miller]

Uh huh ... RCC=One head/Pope, Cardinals/Bishops=general and executive boards ....


Bro I am calling your hand on this one. You are WAY out of line here.

[LadyChocolate]

Going to sleep ... goodnight all.

have fun in church tomorrow glorifying God with songs about hair and may all you contentious preachers out there have fun brow beating your saints and gloat in the fact that you are separated from a harlot church, but please, don't forget to repent of your judgemental ways and self righteous attitudes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pelathais]

Organizations=One head/Presiding Bishop/General Chairman/.... .... RCC=One pope Benedict .... you tell me.

Jesus Christ is the head of the Church ....
Do you really equate the UPC's structure (and presumably the General Sup.'s office) with the RCC and the Pope?

That's so far off that it's delusional, and I'm not even UPC.

[Evang.Benincasa]

And what evidence do you use to prove this presence/parasouia happened in 70 AD? Why is it the apostles don't tell us in their epistles of this glorious event w/ clarity?

Gee Dan it might be that their writings were prior to 70 AD.

They were expecting it.

Dan why wasn't the destruction of the Temple recorded in their letters and the book of Revelation if their writings were later?

[Evang.Benincasa]

have fun in church tomorrow glorifying God with songs about hair and may all you contentious preachers out there have fun brow beating your saints and gloat in the fact that you are separated from a harlot church, but please, don't forget to repent of your judgemental ways and self righteous attitudes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh come on, is this for real?

[crakjak]

Gee Dan it might be that their writings were prior to 70 AD.

They were expecting it.

Dan why wasn't the destruction of the Temple recorded in their letters and the book of Revelation if their writings were later?

Hey, I like that, that's good.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Bro I am calling your hand on this one. You are WAY out of line here.

He was saying that the UPCI has a pope? How is the GS a pope? He has no say to overide an issue.

[LadyChocolate]

Oh come on, is this for real?

as real as all the other ridiculous things I've read here!!!!!!

[Joseph Miller]

Oh come on, is this for real?

yep 100%

[SDG]

Gee Dan it might be that their writings were prior to 70 AD.

They were expecting it.

Dan why wasn't the destruction of the Temple recorded in their letters and the book of Revelation if their writings were later?

Most theologians disagree w/ your first point ....

Second ... many things about preterism appeal to me ... especially their tendency to interpret with accuracy the metaphorical nature of Revelation.

But the 70 A.D teaching held by some of them is way off .... and requires theological, logical, verbal and historical gymnastics.

[Evang.Benincasa]

as real as all the other upsurd things I've read here!!!!!!

All I can say is that if you ever hear anyone sing those songs around you, you have two choices. :)

[SDG]

He was saying that the UPCI has
a pope? How is the GS a pope? He has no say to overide an issue.

You mean KH is not the Vicar of Christ?

[Joseph Miller]

All I can say is that if you ever hear anyone sing those songs around you, you have two choices. :)


nope one and that is leave.

[LadyChocolate]

All I can say is that if you ever hear anyone sing those songs around you, you have two choices. :)

i left that crowd and with a good attitude. !!! I attend church wear God is the focus...not man

[pelathais]

Most theologians disagree w/ your first point ....

Second ... many things about preterism appeal to me ... especially their tendency to interpret with accuracy the metaphorical nature of Revelation.

But the 70 A.D teaching held by some of them is way off .... and requires theological, logical, verbal and historical gymnastics.
Agreed. I like preterism's approach to Revelation and it does do away with some of the millennial wackiness; but the 70 AD stuff and trying to force the writing of the book of Revelation into the 60's of the 1st century is where they break down.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Most theologians disagree w/ your first point ....

Really Dan, please tell me WHY they disagree? Then Dan you can tell me why they believe in a late date. Dan the late date is taken from one source, do you know what it is?



Second ... many things about preterism appeal to me ... especially their tendency to interpret the metaphorical nature of Revelation.

I love many things about you Dan, but I would suggest that having a teaching appeal to you because of sybolism would not be the best way to determine it's truth.


But the 70 A.D teaching held by some of them is way off .... and requires theological, logical, verbal and historical gymnastics.

You are wrong, and you said totally nothig with your above statment.

Partail Preterism is the step child that muddies the water, and needs Josephus to bail it out. When you make an attempt to study what Fulfilled Eschatology is then you may speak.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

(954) 448-3023

[SDG]

Really Dan, please tell me WHY they disagree? Then Dan you can tell me why they believe in a late date. Dan the late date is taken from one source, do you know what it is?




I love many things about you Dan, but I would suggest that having a teaching appeal to you because of sybolism would not be the best way to determine it's truth.



You are wrong, and you said totally nothig with your above statment.

Partail Preterism is the step child that muddies the water, and needs Josephus to bail it out. When you make an attempt to study what Fulfilled Eschatology is then you may speak.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com (http://www.OnTimeJournal.com)

(954) 448-3023

Okay.

[SDG]

Agreed. I like preterism's approach to Revelation and it does do away with some of the millenial wackiness; but the 70 AD stuff and trying to force the writing of the book of Revelation into the 60's of the 1st century is where they break down.

Great minds think alike ... Rockies in 7.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Agreed. I like preterism's approach to Revelation and it does do away with some of the millenial wackiness; but the 70 AD stuff and trying to force the writing of the book of Revelation into the 60's of the 1st century is where they break down.

Then all I can say is you need to keep studying how the time language works everything out. Trying to force Revelation into today's headlines is where you can get people in trouble. You said it yourself, Endtime Fads, when you teach the structure of the time language of Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 you will see Revelation unfold.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

(954) 448-3023

[Evang.Benincasa]

i left that crowd and with a good attitude. !!! I attend church wear God is the focus...not man

The attitude is still there my Sister. May you be blessed this morning in service. :)

[LadyChocolate]

The attitude is still there my Sister. May you be blessed this morning in service. :)

the attitude of being tired of hearing preachers bicker and fight... I could care less of you are upc, ind, aljc or whatever... when oneness preachers are fighting, they are wrong... if all you are doing is trying to prove you are right, then you are wrong.... seems like we've missed the scriptures that speak of back biting and sowing discord... whose side are we supposed to be on? are we to win the lost or prove our point? we can't win the lost when we are to busy fighting over things that don't even matter.... and when we are winning the lost, then we've fallen right into the devils plan! because in the end, these bickering preachers are bitter and lose out anyway....

[AmazingGrace]

the attitude of being tired of hearing preachers bicker and fight... I could care less of you are upc, ind, aljc or whatever... when oneness preachers are fighting, they are wrong... if all you are doing is trying to prove you are right, then you are wrong.... seems like we've missed the scriptures that speak of back biting and sowing discord... whose side are we supposed to be on? are we to win the lost or prove our point? we can't win the lost when we are to busy fighting over things that don't even matter.... and when we are winning the lost, then we've fallen right into the devils plan! because in the end, these bickering preachers are bitter and lose out anyway....



Sis,

With all due respect I see what you are saying but one thing you have to realize here is these men come here to talk/mingle and yes bicker... they do not hold these things against each other.. they are for the most part sharpening their swords most of them...This is a place where 99% of the preachers who come on here are apostolic and all from different orgs and different ranks.. different types (lib,con etc..) These men can meet each other face to face and have a love for each other and truly help each other.. in their ministries and in their lives and in their knowledge..
These men who do sit and bicker back and forth a vast majority of them are friends outside of this forum... yes there have been some different things than normal seen and said in the past 2 days on this thread especially but for the most part... they are all friends..

One thing one must have when participating on AFF is a strong backbone.. they can talk about these things here because for 1 we dont have many of and strongly recommend the new in Christ dont come here too often if they arent strong and grounded yet because it might be a bit harsh!Yet we are all aware this is a public forum and we cant totally control who is here and not... so we just say.. remember this is a forum and most of these people... do get along but the banter makes some of us who we are... we are fun people yet we are deep, curious and love most of all the banter that goes along with this place... Just a fewthoughts

[Praxeas]

Uh huh ... RCC=One head/Pope, Cardinals/Bishops=general and executive boards ....
Hey Gaston, watch yourself. You might just be crossing the line of what constitutes BASHING on this forum.

Additionally, this idiotic analogy doesn't hold water. The Pope is nothing like a GS. You are comparing a single leader to the pope...does your church have more than one Pastor? Did your family have more than one father? Just having a single leadership office does NOT mean it's the equivelent of the Pope. Anyone with half a brain would know that...or at least if they were honest enough and intelligent enough to study Roman Catholicism and what the Pope is and who he represents.

Same goes with the rest of this analogy. Do you have leaders in the church or other elders? Can it be then said of your local church what comparison you drew of the UPCI?

[AmazingGrace]

And on that note... My fightin buddies have all gone to bed it appears so I guess I shall go on my way too! My son is home now so all is good! Yall be blessed and have wonderful church tomorrow! :hanky

[AmazingGrace]

Hey Gaston, watch yourself. You might just be crossing the line of what constitutes BASHING on this forum.

Additionally, this idiotic analogy doesn't hold water. The Pope is nothing like a GS. You are comparing a single leader to the pope...does your church have more than one Pastor? Did your family have more than one father? Just having a single leadership office does NOT mean it's the equivelent of the Pope. Anyone with half a brain would know that...or at least if they were honest enough and intelligent enough to study Roman Catholicism and what the Pope is and who he represents.

Same goes with the rest of this analogy. Do you have leaders in the church or other elders? Can it be then said of your local church what comparison you drew of the UPCI?

I do believe somewhere he spoke of a bishop and elders yes indeed!!!

[Joseph Miller]

And on that note... My fightin buddies have all gone to bed it appears so I guess I shall go on my way too! My son is home now so all is good! Yall be blessed and have wonderful church tomorrow! :hanky


God bless AG.

Have good church tomorrow.

[AmazingGrace]

God bless AG.

Have good church tomorrow.

Oh we will! I think they are baptising a lot of the youth that got the holy ghost last weekend tomorrow!! And then we stay for the african services and they are almost as awesome as our main services!!! Not sure but I think my 2 girls have to stay for tomorrows indian service also to sing so if thats the case... I might not be home tomorrow afternoon at all!!! Thats one good thing... our church has church going on alllll the time!


God bless you too!

[Joseph Miller]

Oh we will! I think they are baptising a lot of the youth that got the holy ghost last weekend tomorrow!! And then we stay for the african services and they are almost as awesome as our main services!!! Not sure but I think my 2 girls have to stay for tomorrows indian service also to sing so if thats the case... I might not be home tomorrow afternoon at all!!! Thats one good thing... our church has church going on alllll the time!


God bless you too!

AWESOME.

Great reports :scoregood

[Sheltiedad]

The RCC and the UPC have the same ingredients... but it is like one of those crock pot recipes... if you look at the ingredients after only an hour (UPC), it still doesn't look like much... but if you look at it 8 hours later (RCC), you start to realize what has been created. :D

:stirpot (so glad they create this smiley)

[timlan2057]

"This Train" would not quite fit into the same category as the doggerel.

"This Train" is quaint and old but of course the other songs are the anthem of the Jerry Springer Show segment of "ole time pentecost."

God?

Nah, God has nothing to do with it.

People "run the aisles" to those songs because they feel like they are striking back against people they have an inferiority complex to - which of course is most every well-adjusted person on the planet.

These songs have always found fertile ground around the parts of the country where there are more cars jacked up on blocks in front yards than on the roads; where the white picket fence is replaced by tires buried halfway in the ground and then painted white as a show of "good taste."

I laugh at the thought that if a choir sang Handel's "And The Glory of the Lord" or "Hallelujah Chorus" the Springer Crowd of Ole Time Pentecost would sit there with stupid, uncomprehending look on their faces.

This thread proves once again that these "preachers" wouldn't know true biblical holiness if it grew teeth, jumped up and bit them on their ample, three-axe-handles-wide, honey-bun-and-orange-soda fed backsides.

[pelathais]

The RCC and the UPC have the same ingredients... but it is like one of those crock pot recipes... if you look at the ingredients after only an hour (UPC), it still doesn't look like much... but if you look at it 8 hours later (RCC), you start to realize what has been created. :D

:stirpot (so glad they create this smiley)
I'm certainly no cheerleader for the UPC, but I think with the autonomy of the local church as the basic unit of the org that it really can't be compared to the RCC.

The RCC has a trained clergy. The UPC is catch-as-catch-can and make up your theology as you go.

The RCC clergy are assigned to a parish and have no say in who their bishop is. The UPC practices a form of entrepreneurial evangelism where an entrepreneur goes out to harvest the tithes and offerings from whoever he can convince to give. The UPC clergy then forward only whatever they feel like forwarding on up the food chain. There's a big difference in this mechanism and its implications for control. The RCC clergy get a paycheck from their diocese.

In the past, when a RCC clergy was caught in a sex scandal he was protected by his org. In the UPC these types are really rolling the dice and most will have to leave the org if not leave the ministry entirely when they are found out.

In the pre-RCC days of the Old Catholic Church the heirarchy of bishops and archbishops was already in place. The only argument was which bishop was top dog; Alexandria, Antioch or Rome or someone else? In the UPC the trend seems to be a continued decentralization of power. There is an important exception: the way in which local districts wield authority over their fiefdoms. The district actually trumps HQ in just about every situation.

If you could turn the clock forward, so to speak, and take a look at a future UPC I don't think it would evolve into a RCC type model. It would likely cease to exist and the various parts dismembered the corpse to form the predecessor orgs that will then merge to form a successor org. And the cycle will continue.

Or it won't.

[pelathais]

"This Train" would not quite fit into the same category as the doggerel.

"This Train" is quaint and old but of course the other songs are the anthem of the Jerry Springer Show segment of "ole time pentecost."

God?

Nah, God has nothing to do with it.

People "run the aisles" to those songs because they feel like they are striking back against people they have an inferiority complex to - which of course is most every well-adjusted person on the planet.

So much wisdom in such a little package!

These songs have always found fertile ground around the parts of the country where there are more cars jacked up on blocks in front yards than on the roads; where the white picket fence is replaced by tires buried halfway in the ground and then painted white as a show of "good taste."

I laugh at the thought that if a choir sang Handel's "And The Glory of the Lord" or "Hallelujah Chorus" the Springer Crowd of Ole Time Pentecost would sit there with stupid, uncomprehending look on their faces.

This thread proves once again that these "preachers" wouldn't know true biblical holiness if it grew teeth, jumped up and bit them on their ample, three-axe-handles-wide, honey-bun-and-orange-soda fed backsides.

[Evang.Benincasa]

"This Train" would not quite fit into the same category as the doggerel.

"This Train" is quaint and old but of course the other songs are the anthem of the Jerry Springer Show segment of "ole time pentecost."

God?

Nah, God has nothing to do with it.

People "run the aisles" to those songs because they feel like they are striking back against people they have an inferiority complex to - which of course is most every well-adjusted person on the planet.

These songs have always found fertile ground around the parts of the country where there are more cars jacked up on blocks in front yards than on the roads; where the white picket fence is replaced by tires buried halfway in the ground and then painted white as a show of "good taste."

I laugh at the thought that if a choir sang Handel's "And The Glory of the Lord" or "Hallelujah Chorus" the Springer Crowd of Ole Time Pentecost would sit there with stupid, uncomprehending look on their faces.

This thread proves once again that these "preachers" wouldn't know true biblical holiness if it grew teeth, jumped up and bit them on their ample, three-axe-handles-wide, honey-bun-and-orange-soda fed backsides.


Tim people sing those songs because they want to give people like you something to whine about.

Have a great day at church this morninng. :)

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[rgcraig]

Tim people sing those songs because they want to give people like you something to whine about.Have a great day at church this morninng. :)

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

You only wish that were true!

[timlan2057]

And of course Benincasa comes along and proves my point exactly.

Thanks for admitting God has nothing to do with it.

There may be hope for you yet.


Tim people sing those songs because they want to give people like you something to whine about.





timlan2057 said:


People "run the aisles" to those songs because they feel like they are striking back against people they have an inferiority complex to - which of course is most every well-adjusted person on the planet.

[AmazingGrace]

"This Train" would not quite fit into the same category as the doggerel.

"This Train" is quaint and old but of course the other songs are the anthem of the Jerry Springer Show segment of "ole time pentecost."

God?

Nah, God has nothing to do with it.

People "run the aisles" to those songs because they feel like they are striking back against people they have an inferiority complex to - which of course is most every well-adjusted person on the planet.

These songs have always found fertile ground around the parts of the country where there are more cars jacked up on blocks in front yards than on the roads; where the white picket fence is replaced by tires buried halfway in the ground and then painted white as a show of "good taste."

I laugh at the thought that if a choir sang Handel's "And The Glory of the Lord" or "Hallelujah Chorus" the Springer Crowd of Ole Time Pentecost would sit there with stupid, uncomprehending look on their faces.

This thread proves once again that these "preachers" wouldn't know true biblical holiness if it grew teeth, jumped up and bit them on their ample, three-axe-handles-wide, honey-bun-and-orange-soda fed backsides.


Wonderful post and so very true thank you!!!

[Felicity]

Well, I've just spent the last hour or so reading this ...uhm... thread.
It needs to be made into a movie. A documentary - you just can't make this stuff up.
I would think all 6 members of the 'bama church knows that song by heart!!
Ya think?
The men's quartet might sing, "If there's hair on your ears, there's sin in your heart. Get it cut today, and make a new start........"
ROFL:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

[Evang.Benincasa]

You only wish that were true!


But it is the truth. The only ones who are bothered are the disgruntled employees. Listen it's real easy, if they weren't so whiney about those songs they would ignore the issues and move on. If they thought the songs were childish then they wouldn't waste their breath to cry out against the songs, but alas they hate what those songs stand for and therefore they become cranky and complaining to the point of being humorous.

While these songs might offend those who were raised up in Christiandom us converts really don't understand what the fuss is all about.



In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[dizzyde]

I'm taking dubious notes; I cannot wait to incorporate all these songs into our worship services. They give such glory and honor to God!!:reaction

I was listening to a praise and worship CD I have in my car yesterday, and I was thinking of this thread. If I wasn't completely exhausted, I would start posting some true worship lyrics to combat all this insanity.

[Evang.Benincasa]

And of course Benincasa comes along and proves my point exactly.

Thanks for admitting God has nothing to do with it.

There may be hope for you yet.

God has a lot to do with it, just look at how you're reacting to the issue.
If this was just about tunes made up by ex- tobacco chewing dolts then you would shine it on. What's happening is that these people stood for something that went against the society they lived in. Even now holiness Christians live in spite of those who run under the radar while they look like the society, they only whisper Christ. Instead of impacting the society around them, the society has absorbed them. Now they look, act, and sing, just like the society.

TL how long had you been Apostolic Pentecostal, were you raised in Pentecost?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[BrotherEastman]

Dan and I may not agree on everything, but he is my brother in Christ. He believes the message of the Mighty God in Christ as much as anyone else on this forum.
I second that.

[dizzyde]

Who needs entertainment huh?! Thats why these dont believe in "worldly entertainment" all they have to do is go to church!

:killinme :killinme :killinme

[Margies3]

My problem with these kinds of songs is that there are people out there who are truly hungry to know God who will walk into a church like the 'bama church and hear something like this. They will be offended and put-off by these lyrics and walk out wondering if GOD is as impossible to please as the people in this church seem to be.

And then they will be lost.

Who was the winner in that situation? Not God :(

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

They are thinking of Jesus and how great they are feeling at that very moment, it's the guy or gal walking out in a huff, who is thinking of something else. :pirate

Hey, that's totally cool, why stay anywhere that's not custom tailored to what you want. 31 FLAVORS you have your pick in America. There's a very interesting book out you should look at it's called "Shopping for God"

Why stay at a church that I'd be embarrassed to bring my friends from work or family that is unsaved? I don't think they would appreciate being humiliated about their splits or bobbed hair? Why not be an example to them through living right and let the preacher take care of the rest - not the singers?

http://www.amazon.com/Shopping-God-Christianity-Went-Heart/dp/0743292871


No, it must be from all the laughter that I'm doing as I'm answering a post.
Listen who ever you are, I don't take this stuff personally, I am writing other material while I answer posts, and not trying to get anyone flipped out.
If you're offended just say "Evang.Benincasa you're offending me" and I will apologize and move on. Look you're not even using your name; I haven't the foggiest idea who or what you are, so please forgive me if I'm having too much fun. Again, this is not personal so don't take it that way. :)



Yes, it is ridiculous, and you win a cookie, we are talking about a church singing songs that they like and have fun with. If you don't like what a certain congregation does, then you are more than welcome not to darken their door way ever again. They would probably miss you and wonder why the fuss over their song, but you are free to do as you please. Also the beauty of this country allows all men and women to have freedom to worship as they please. God bless America.



Then use that thought when dealing with those who sing those songs.


Who said they weren't? Let's no make this something it's not, shall we?


It would seem to me that it's you who needs to hold on. No problem on this end. :)


Everyone has an argument, but not everyone has to fight.
We can argue and do it without problems. We can also be humerous while we are at it. We can shoot from the hip and not hurt each other. If you're being offended then I'm sorry, people do things for different reasons. Just as fast as you say that I come off wrong when people are not seeing it my way 100% then where do you come off having any comment about the "split skirt" song in the first place? That's what I think is so silly, you're making a judgement against those who would sing those songs in their worship?
Doesn't that place you in the position that you claim that I'm putting myself in?



Pick one how? You made a statement and I answered it. You said you would leave a church that would sing such a song and I had fun with that.
What's the problem? You made a judgement and I made a judgement.

:scorebad

:scoregood




Bravo! So while you are in your church on Sunday know that the Brother who started this thread may be singing the Bobbed Hair song in his church.
While you are speaking in tongues in your place of worship, he will speaking in tongues in his place of worship. Everyone will be blessed and no one will have to leave after the singers sit down. :)



Sleep tight. :)

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I explained to you before so I think you understand this now. I did not say I would walk out of a church service if this type of song was being sung. I explained that what I meant about leaving a church was that I would prefer not to attend and most likely would leave a church where these type of "bobbed hair" and "in-your-face" songs were sung. Some prefer this type of "skin 'em before you get 'em songs" but I don't. That is my preference. You have your preference. I still believe that people who are singing about split skirts are more than likely THINKING about split skirts. If they are singing about Jesus more than likely they are thinking about Jesus rather than split skirts. (Or let's hope they are thinking about Him) Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

You don't offend me, but I believe those songs could offend some sincere person who is entering the church looking for a sanctuary. I don't mean this personally against you either, EB, but you do seem to jump to conclusions about people when you have no idea how they live. The fact that I do not like those type of songs doesn't mean anything about the way I live.

OK, you go sing your songs - or listen to them about bobbed haird women. I will sing mine and listen to them about uplifiting Jesus Christ. I would feel very uncomfortable inviting a person from work or a relative who is not a church member if I knew that someone was going to sing the bobbed hair women song. The pastor is responsible for teaching and the singers have no place in my opinion even getting into this.

OK, I accept your apology. If I offended you, forgive the ole FRINGE_NUTTER.

[Joseph Miller]

but alas they hate what those songs stand for and therefore they become cranky and complaining to the point of being humorous.


Bro. Benincasa you are wrong. I don't hate what those songs stand for. I preach the principle behind them. The songs sounds childish though. If I heard a kids group singing these songs I wouldn't say anything about it. IF these songs were sung by some people wearing "billy bob teeth" at a banquet during the skits I would laugh and most of the rest of the crowd would too. Now if I was preaching at a church and they sang this song during worship service and it offended visitors, I would personally apologize to them for the ignorace of the local church.

[Old Paths]

My O My!!

That's what I like about liberals.

The love!!

I can just feel the love all up in here.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

My O My!!

That's what I like about liberals.

The love!!

I can just feel the love all up in here.

OP, if we do not like to use the bobbed haired song as a worship song, that does not make us a liberal. I feel more love in the people trying to convince someone that something is not right than just letting the person go on and sing a song that might run someone away from church and that person be lost for eternity.

[AmazingGrace]

OP, if we do not like to use the bobbed haired song as a worship song, that does not make us a liberal. I feel more love in the people trying to convince someone that something is not right than just letting the person go on and sing a song that might run someone away from church and that person be lost for eternity.

Ya know.. its funny our pastor taught on just that this morning in SS... he was talking about how there is a time and a place for certain things in church and some things are just totally out of line! A few comments he made almost made me wonder if he lurks but I know he has no time for that but it was funny!

All things must be done decently and in order.... very clearly... its there! And I dont see how these songs can be decent.. or in order in any church service!

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

Well, I am not your pastor, Missy. :toofunny

[AmazingGrace]

Well, I am not your pastor, Missy. :toofunny

I kinda figured that... :snapout


You better be glad too! LOL

[rgcraig]

My O My!!

That's what I like about liberals.

The love!!

I can just feel the love all up in here.

Did you read ALL the thread? :drama

[Sherri]

Oh we will! I think they are baptising a lot of the youth that got the holy ghost last weekend tomorrow!! And then we stay for the african services and they are almost as awesome as our main services!!! Not sure but I think my 2 girls have to stay for tomorrows indian service also to sing so if thats the case... I might not be home tomorrow afternoon at all!!! Thats one good thing... our church has church going on alllll the time!


God bless you too!
Do you have African and Indian services every week, or is this a special thing?

[Steve Epley]

I have heard those songs when I enjoyed them and sometimes when I didn't.

[freeatlast]

I have heard those songs when I enjoyed them and sometimes when I didn't.

?????? Have you been in the communion wine SE ?????

[Steve Epley]

?????? Have you been in the communion wine SE ?????

NOT tonite. But the night is yet young............................... I sure do love MY Jesus.:runhills:runhills

[freeatlast]

NOT tonite. But the night is yet young............................... I sure do love MY Jesus.:runhills:runhills

Ha hah ahhha haahh haa...ya made me laff...hey I was just in Edinburoh Indiana...is that close to you SE ?

[Steve Epley]

Ha hah ahhha haahh haa...ya made me laff...hey I was just in Edinburoh Indiana...is that close to you SE ?

About 70 miles I guess.

[AmazingGrace]

Did you read ALL the thread? :drama

I am sure he didnt... some just love to jump to conclusions...

[AmazingGrace]

Do you have African and Indian services every week, or is this a special thing?

Yes ma'am, our church has our main service then we have an african service and then a spanish service and a Indian service and a Korean service and then our sunday night service every week...

[freeatlast]

drove all the way down there to shoot paintballs with some other bible quiz folks from br Myers church. Lots of fun. ...I shoulda hung around Indy and visited your church this morning.

[Steve Epley]

drove all the way down there to shoot paintballs with some other bible quiz folks from br Myers church. Lots of fun. ...I shoulda hung around Indy and visited your church this morning.

I know Bro Myers not well but I do know him.

[freeatlast]

I know Bro Myers not well but I do know him.

He's "looking your way"

[Steve Epley]

He's "looking your way"

I seriously doubt that.

[freeatlast]

I seriously doubt that.

Don't doubt. say hi to him in Tulsa.

[pelathais]

Great minds think alike ... Rockies in 7.
7 Years... (sigh!)

[mizpeh]

7 Years... (sigh!)

It took the Sox 86 years!

[BrotherEastman]

We were led to believe by Caston Smith, that he dropped his license due to the vote that took place in Tampa. Unless Caston Smith goes by another name, I did not find him in any of my directories going back to 2004, which tells me that this is a lie or he goes by another name.

[AmazingGrace]

We were led to believe by Caston Smith, that he dropped his license due to the vote that took place in Tampa. Unless Caston Smith goes by another name, I did not find him in any of my directories going back to 2004, which tells me that this is a lie or he goes by another name.

Does this surprise you?!

[pelathais]

But it is the truth. The only ones who are bothered are the disgruntled employees. Listen it's real easy, if they weren't so whiney about those songs they would ignore the issues and move on. If they thought the songs were childish then they wouldn't waste their breath to cry out against the songs, but alas they hate what those songs stand for and therefore they become cranky and complaining to the point of being humorous.

While these songs might offend those who were raised up in Christiandom us converts really don't understand what the fuss is all about.

EB, we all tend to be labeled and categorized according to either who we fellowship with or those who share some of the same doctinal distinctives. I think those who object to some of these songs do so because there is an attitude that they have been confronted with and that they overcame. Others maybe saw that attitude and rejected it outright. The attitude I'm talking about is spiritual pride, even arrogance.

Most folks do not want to be identified with that attitude and so they speak out against it whenever they encounter it. The Evangelical world has rightly labeled much of the Apostolic movement as "prideful." They've really got our number on that and we need to do more to overcome that stigma. Songs like this obviously don't lift up the Lord in praise and they certainly don't help us with one of our biggest problems.

[BrotherEastman]

Does this surprise you?!
Well, actually it does, although I shouldn't of been considering his credibility. I am suprised that he lasted as long as he did on this thread.

[AmazingGrace]

Well, actually it does, although I shouldn't of been considering his credibility. I am suprised that he lasted as long as he did on this thread.

He lasted too long yes but, he was asked certain things to certify his credibility throughout the whole thread and he refused to answer those question. He is real good at sidestepping questions we ask and just answering ones he wants to or lashing out at the ones asking the questions or re answering something he had already answered to begin with!

[Nahum]

His name is Joseph Caston Smith.

Joseph Smith, like the Mormon leader?


That explains a lot.

[BrotherEastman]

His name is Joseph Caston Smith.
Well, that would explain it. LOL!

[Joseph Miller]

Joseph Smith, like the Mormon leader?


That explains a lot.


Same name.

[BrotherEastman]

Joseph Smith, like the Mormon leader?


That explains a lot.
Now now PP, be nice. LOL!

[Joseph Miller]

Now now PP, be nice. LOL!


lol

[BrotherEastman]

His name is Joseph Caston Smith.
btw, the only Joseph I find, is Joseph G. Smith.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Bro. Benincasa you are wrong. I don't hate what those songs stand for. I preach the principle behind them. The songs sounds childish though. If I heard a kids group singing these songs I wouldn't say anything about it. IF these songs were sung by some people wearing "billy bob teeth" at a banquet during the skits I would laugh and most of the rest of the crowd would too. Now if I was preaching at a church and they sang this song during worship service and it offended visitors, I would personally apologize to them for the ignorace of the local church.

JM, I was not raised in Pentecost, I came into the church and fell in love with the Holy Ghost. I learned about what people call standards from the Holy Ghost. My wife is the same way, only difference is that she was raised in a Greek Orthodox Church and she has told me and others that she was not going to give up Eastern Greek Orthodox traditions for more Traditions.

People who had revelation about holiness standards in a world (1920s) that was going to ruin sang those songs. The speak-easy and flappers, silent movies and bathtub gin is what the Old Time Preacher was coming against.

Everyone from Baptist to Pentecost was singing those songs, but now in a society of politically correct McChurchanity we don't want to offend anyone?
No one had a problem with telling me about my long hair, beard and earrings when I came into the church. It was my prayer life and dedication to Bible and fasting that showed me where I needed to be. I look at the town I live in and we have some flipped out Christians around here who are just reproducing nothing more than a politically correct Jesus who is so focused on not offending anyone that Homosexuals would have no problem feeling at home in any of the services.

My opinion is this, the only ones who have problems with those songs are the politically correct.


The Devil don't want no preaching goin round here!

The Devil don't want no preaching goin round here!

We don't care what the Devil don't like!

We gonna preach holiness right!

The Devil don't want no preaching goin round here!


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[SDG]

You're stuck in a time warp, EB ... God has moved on.

[RandyWayne]

People who had revelation about holiness standards in a world (1920s) that was going to ruin sang those songs. The speak-easy and flappers, silent movies and bathtub gin is what the Old Time Preacher was coming against.

It was a time of Harold Lloyd, Charlie Chaplin, "Our Gang", and Buster Keaton. The Three Stooges were just about the burst on the scene.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I explained to you before so I think you understand this now.

And...




I did not say I would walk out of a church service if this type of song was being sung.

I answered you last nigght before you said goodnight, so maybe you should scroll back through the thread and find where I answered you.


I explained that what I meant about leaving a church was that I would prefer not to attend and most likely would leave a church where these type of "bobbed hair" and "in-your-face" songs were sung.

And that's wonderful, it's your free right as an American to have the right to worship as you very well please. It is also enables others to worship as they please. You win souls as you see fit and allow others to win souls as they see fit.




Some prefer this type of "skin 'em before you get 'em songs" but I don't.

You see that is your perception, and you can perceive what you please, just keep all that in mind when you point fingers at me and say that I jump to conclusions. :)


That is my preference. You have your preference. I still believe that people who are singing about split skirts are more than likely THINKING about split skirts. If they are singing about Jesus more than likely they are thinking about Jesus rather than split skirts. (Or let's hope they are thinking about Him) Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

They're thinking about Jesus when they sing those songs and they're having a great time while they sing them. Wow, what starchy mindsets, excuse me.



You don't offend me,

You could of fooled me, especially with the upper case GOODNIGHT. :)



but I believe those songs could offend some sincere person who is entering the church looking for a sanctuary.

Sorry wrong choice of words, if they're sincere a 100 kegs of dynamite can't chase them away. Believe me that's a fact. A proven fact!


I don't mean this personally against you either, EB, but you do seem to jump to conclusions about people when you have no idea how they live. The fact that I do not like those type of songs doesn't mean anything about the way I live.

You really need to consider how to reply to me also if you would like to take the above posture. :)





OK, you go sing your songs - or listen to them about bobbed haird women. I will sing mine and listen to them about uplifiting Jesus Christ.

Yes indeed I will listen watch the happy people sing songs about holiness unto the Lord while they too think about Jesus and the past lives they were taken out of.



I would feel very uncomfortable inviting a person from work or a relative who is not a church member if I knew that someone was going to sing the bobbed hair women song. The pastor is responsible for teaching and the singers have no place in my opinion even getting into this.

If the pastor is the one advocating the singers to sing then I guess everything would be peachy. :)



OK, I accept your apology. If I offended you, forgive the ole FRINGE_NUTTER.


No problem with Brother B, I have had worse in my lifetime. :pirate

Lord bless your soul.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

EB, we all tend to be labeled and categorized according to either who we fellowship with or those who share some of the same doctinal distinctives. I think those who object to some of these songs do so because there is an attitude that they have been confronted with and that they overcame. Others maybe saw that attitude and rejected it outright. The attitude I'm talking about is spiritual pride, even arrogance.

Most folks do not want to be identified with that attitude and so they speak out against it whenever they encounter it. The Evangelical world has rightly labeled much of the Apostolic movement as "prideful." They've really got our number on that and we need to do more to overcome that stigma. Songs like this obviously don't lift up the Lord in praise and they certainly don't help us with one of our biggest problems.


Put Mr Magoo back as an avatar.

The Evangical world believes we are HERETICS or a CULT, please! :pirate

I think I'm starting to really like you. :)
In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

It was a time of Harold Lloyd, Charlie Chaplin, "Our Gang", and Buster Keaton. The Three Stooges were just about the burst on the scene.

Don't forget the VAMP Theda Bara

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/Undyingsoul1/Sylvie20-20Bara20Theda_01.jpg

[RandyWayne]

Your point?

(And if your referring to the "make up", there is a reason they use it in the movies and on stage... to actually make the faces recognizable from a distance.)

[Encryptus]

Great minds think alike ... Rockies in 7.

Glad this wasn't preceded by "Thus sayeth the Lord" :hypercoffee

[pelathais]

JM, I was not raised in Pentecost, I came into the church and fell in love with the Holy Ghost. I learned about what people call standards from the Holy Ghost. My wife is the same way, only difference is that she was raised in a Greek Orthodox Church and she has told me and others that she was not going to give up Eastern Greek Orthodox traditions for more Traditions.
...


The Devil don't want no preaching goin round here!

The Devil don't want no preaching goin round here!

We don't care what the Devil don't like!

We gonna preach holiness right!

The Devil don't want no preaching goin round here!

E.B. you know that song is based upon a worldly song, don't you? You've been very vocal in the past in condemning folks who have used "worldly" music and changed the lyrics to glofify God. Last night you got after me because of what you called "Trinitarian ballads" being sung in OP churchs.

And here you are promoting the music of a heroin addict.

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[Evang.Benincasa]

E.B. you know that song is based upon a worldly song, don't you? You've been very vocal in the past in condemning folks who have used "worldly" music and changed the lyrics to glofify God. Last night you got after me because of what you called "Trinitarian ballads" being sung in OP churchs.

And here you are promoting the music of a heroin addict.

Herion addict? Edgar Allen Poe?

Oh I copied your quote before you added the clip.

[pelathais]

Put Mr Magoo back as an avatar.

The Evangical world believes we are HERETICS or a CULT, please! :pirate

I think I'm starting to really like you. :)

I think that if we got ourselves out of the way and allowed those folks to see more of Jesus Christ in us, then many of them would change their minds.

And I've always liked you.:)

[Evang.Benincasa]

E.B. you know that song is based upon a worldly song, don't you? You've been very vocal in the past in condemning folks who have used "worldly" music and changed the lyrics to glofify God. Last night you got after me because of what you called "Trinitarian ballads" being sung in OP churchs.

And here you are promoting the music of a heroin addict.



Pelathis what you said above doesn' make sense where did I ever use the phrase "worldly music" being converted to Godly music? Have you ever seen my posts where I have used lyrics and converted them?

Trinitarian ballads are the tear jerkers that give you warm fuzzies instead of the Holy Ghost. :)

[Joseph Miller]

I think that if we got ourselves out of the way and allowed those folks to see more of Jesus Christ in us, then many of them would change their minds.

:)

:scoregood Now that is the truth. :scoregood

[Evang.Benincasa]

I think that if we got ourselves out of the way and allowed those folks to see more of Jesus Christ in us, then many of them would change their minds.

Ah...NO, they would not change their minds, they think we are heretics to the max. I know of a group who re-baptizes anyone who has been baptized in Jesus name, because they think Jesus name Apostolics are lost. Brother believe me they don't think the mighty God in Christ is Bible. We could be nicer than Donna Reed and they still would call us heretics.




And I've always liked you.:)

But I'm not kidding :)

[nahkoe]

Ah...NO, they would not change their minds, they think we are heretics to the max. I know of a group who re-baptizes anyone who has been baptized in Jesus name, because they think Jesus name Apostolics are lost. Brother believe me they don't think the mighty God in Christ is Bible. We could be nicer than Donna Reed and they still would call us heretics.

Don't Oneness churches re-baptize those baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

I'm guessing that deal goes both directions as far as believing the other side is lost and making sure it's done right.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Your point?

(And if your referring to the "make up", there is a reason they use it in the movies and on stage... to actually make the faces recognizable from a distance.)

Black and white silent screen better have them in make-up, Theda Bara was known as the Vamp, and that word (which was short for vampire) was used to describe a woman of ill fame. My point is that the preachers who advocated the bobbed hair songs also preached against movies, and Hollywood, and those preachers were everything from Baptist to Quaker.

Now that the denominal world is scared to call black, black and white, white, we are left with the faithful few who will still stand and call sin, sin.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Don't Oneness churches re-baptize those baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

Why...yes, and that's because....

































BAPTIZING IN TITLES IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




I'm guessing that deal goes both directions as far as believing the other side is lost and making sure it's done right.

Very good you win a candy bar. :)


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[nahkoe]

Why...yes, and that's because....

BAPTIZING IN TITLES IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very good you win a candy bar. :)

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Oh yummy. :hypercoffee

I never said I disagreed with re-baptizing in Jesus' name. I saw that long, long before I ever walked into a Oneness church (well..I did walk in that one time to get baptized right...why I didn't attend there after that I don't know..)

[pelathais]

Ah...NO, they would not change their minds, they think we are heretics to the max. I know of a group who re-baptizes anyone who has been baptized in Jesus name, because they think Jesus name Apostolics are lost. Brother believe me they don't think the mighty God in Christ is Bible. We could be nicer than Donna Reed and they still would call us heretics.

Many would, yes. But no matter what we did many folks would do that. If you and I were baptized in the titles on 60 Minutes tonight, I don't think we would make any new friends.

But there are many Christians who don't really see the "problems" that the people you describe see with our doctrine. Many in fact are supportive. I don't like it when they get hurt by us.


But I'm not kidding :)
Neither am I, thanks.

No one seemed to get the thing about Magoo with the fez being banned by most Muslim countries. He may return. Also, though I may sound like that, I don't really look like that. Yet.

[Joseph Miller]

Ah...NO, they would not change their minds, they think we are heretics to the max. I know of a group who re-baptizes anyone who has been baptized in Jesus name, because they think Jesus name Apostolics are lost. Brother believe me they don't think the mighty God in Christ is Bible. We could be nicer than Donna Reed and they still would call us heretics.





I have to disagree. We are not looked down on in our town. As a matter of fact it is the opposite. Our pastor is the president of our county ministerial association. Our church is involved with the Annual Thanksgiving service and the Easter sun rise service. They think we are a great addition to the community.

We have people from other churches that visit us from time to time. Pastors in our town even are asking questions about why we are different. Why do we have the standards we do and why we baptize in Jesus name. We even have some that have been filled with the Holy Ghost.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

And...





I answered you last nigght before you said goodnight, so maybe you should scroll back through the thread and find where I answered you.



And that's wonderful, it's your free right as an American to have the right to worship as you very well please. It is also enables others to worship as they please. You win souls as you see fit and allow others to win souls as they see fit.





You see that is your perception, and you can perceive what you please, just keep all that in mind when you point fingers at me and say that I jump to conclusions. :)



They're thinking about Jesus when they sing those songs and they're having a great time while they sing them. Wow, what starchy mindsets, excuse me.




You could of fooled me, especially with the upper case GOODNIGHT. :)




Sorry wrong choice of words, if they're sincere a 100 kegs of dynamite can't chase them away. Believe me that's a fact. A proven fact!



You really need to consider how to reply to me also if you would like to take the above posture. :)





Yes indeed I will listen watch the happy people sing songs about holiness unto the Lord while they too think about Jesus and the past lives they were taken out of.




If the pastor is the one advocating the singers to sing then I guess everything would be peachy. :)




No problem with Brother B, I have had worse in my lifetime. :pirate

Lord bless your soul.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Hi, EB, I wish I had more time to type a response but I just got here - after a powerful church service and fellowship afterwards.

All I can say is that you are so full of yourself - I hope you have left at least a little space for Jesus. God bless. Just kidding with ya, Bro.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Many would, yes. But no matter what we did many folks would do that. If you and I were baptized in the titles on 60 Minutes tonight, I don't think we would make any new friends.

But there are many Christians who don't really see the "problems" that the people you describe see with our doctrine. Many in fact are supportive. I don't like it when they get hurt by us.

I have witnessed an Independent Baptist in Pensacola Florida rip into an Apostolic youth and call him a 'water dog" and then I moved in an in my own polite way showed the Independent Baptist the error of his ways.

I have dealt with Trinitarians who strongly believe that One God people are in false doctrine. No matter how many times we curtsy they still want to see us except the three gods of the triune.



Neither am I, thanks.

Ok, we will see :)


No one seemed to get the thing about Magoo with the fez being banned by most Muslim countries. He may return. Also, though I may sound like that, I don't really look like that. Yet.

Magoo with a fez being banned in Turkey right?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I have to disagree. We are not looked down on in our town. As a matter of fact it is the opposite. Our pastor is the president of our county ministerial association. Our church is involved with the Annual Thanksgiving service and the Easter sun rise service. They think we are a great addition to the community.

We have people from other churches that visit us from time to time. Pastors in our town even are asking questions about why we are different. Why do we have the standards we do and why we baptize in Jesus name. We even have some that have been filled with the Holy Ghost.

Let me know when they go from visitors to saints.

[Evang.Benincasa]

What happened to Caston Smith?

[Joseph Miller]

Let me know when they go from visitors to saints.


Well, about 15 or so in the last couple of years have. We don't preach against the other churches. We are their friends. We preach Jesus and people who are hungry are drawn to the bread of life.

[SDG]

What happened to Caston Smith?

Caston Smith happened to Caston Smith.

[JaneEyre]

Caston Smith happened to Caston Smith.

Did the rapture take place?...Maybe HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO MADE IT.


:runhills

[Sheltiedad]

Enter Caston Smith from stage right...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Well, about 15 or so in the last couple of years have. We don't preach against the other churches. We are their friends. We preach Jesus and people who are hungry are drawn to the bread of life.

Sound fabulous; keep me informed on the conversions. :)

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[SDG]

Did the rapture take place?...Maybe HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO MADE IT.


:runhills

Well I'm sure EB would have gone w/ him ... OH WAIT ....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Caston Smith happened to Caston Smith.

Hey, why do you want to be bad to the Brother?

Really what happened to him?

[JaneEyre]

Hey, why do you want to be bad to the Brother?

Really what happened to him?

He is back. I see his name at the bottom of the page. Pelathais and I were not mean to him at all. I was just trying to understand his thinking.

[SDG]

Hey, why do you want to be bad to the Brother?

Really what happened to him?

Honestly, guys like him and you are a welcomed addition to this party.

[dizzyde]

Enter Caston Smith from stage right...

:killinme :toofunny

[Evang.Benincasa]

He is back. I see his name at the bottom of the page. Pelathais and I were not mean to him at all. I was just trying to understand his thinking.


Mean? Why would anyone think you two were being mean? The better question would be why do you think that you would be perceived as being mean?

I think you both need to apologize to the Brother and get him back in this discussion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Honestly, guys like him and you are a welcomed addition to this party.

Hey Dan, do you get punched in the face alot? :pirate

[SDG]

Mean? Why would anyone think you two were being mean? The better question would be why do you think that you would be perceived as being mean?

I think you both need to apologize to the Brother and get him back in this discussion.

See Keith the Corinthian thread.

[JaneEyre]

Mean? Why would anyone think you two were being mean? The better question would be why do you think that you would be perceived as being mean?

I think you both need to apologize to the Brother and get him back in this discussion.

Read my posts, Evang.Benincasa, I was nice to him. I have nothing for which to apologize.

[SDG]

Hey Dan, do you get punched in the face alot? :pirate

EB do you starch your underwear?

[Evang.Benincasa]

EB do you starch your underwear?

Is that what your into? You would fit in down around the fellas in Fort Ladee Da.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Read my posts, Evang.Benincasa, I was nice to him. I have nothing for which to apologize.

Come on now, go and look at his picture, he looks pretty sensitive, you may of hurt his feelings.

[SDG]

Is that what your into? You would fit in down around the fellas in Fort Ladee Da.

Those dudes are gross ... I remember going to the FT Laud. beach w/ my ex-wife and kids a few years back ... and they were crawling all over the place.

[pelathais]

Mean? Why would anyone think you two were being mean? The better question would be why do you think that you would be perceived as being mean?

I think you both need to apologize to the Brother and get him back in this discussion.
The poster in question made what I felt to be a slander against a church where I have family that attends and that I visit from time to time. Rather than allow the offanded statements to stand I pressed the aforementioned poster and he persisted in saying what he had to say. Another poster apparently chimed in with some posts that I did not see that appear to implicate the one making slander with being involved with problematic circumstances.

I pressed my own case but I was informed that would not be a good idea. Some things are best left hush-hush. Google news could probably fill in some blanks for you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Those dudes are gross ... I remember going to the beach w/ my ex-wife and kids a few years back ... and they were crawling all over the place.

You're correct, they are like roaches down here.

How many children do you have? I didn't know you have children.

[Evang.Benincasa]

The poster in question made what I felt to be a slander against a church where I have family that attends and that I visit from time to time. Rather than allow the offanded statements to stand I pressed the aforementioned poster and he persisted in saying what he had to say. Another poster apparently chimed in with some posts that I did not see that appear to implicate the one making slander with being involved with problematic circumstances.

I pressed my own case but I was informed that would not be a good idea. Some things are best left hush-hush. Google news could probably fill in some blanks for you.

Google News? Really? Are you for sure about this? Just look at his picture.

[SDG]

You're correct, they are like roaches down here.

How many children do you have? I didn't know you have children.

Two precious jewels ... EB. Danah 11, and Aaron 3.

http://respiracreative.com/kids8.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x290/fuerza410/aaron3.jpg


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x290/fuerza410/danah1.jpg

[AmazingGrace]

They are adorable!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Two precious jewels ... EB. Danah 11, and Aaron 3.

http://respiracreative.com/kids8.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x290/fuerza410/aaron3.jpg


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x290/fuerza410/danah1.jpg

Wonderful! What beautiful children, God bless them!

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[dizzyde]

Two precious jewels ... EB. Danah 11, and Aaron 3.


Beautiful children!

[Joseph Miller]

Two precious jewels ... EB. Danah 11, and Aaron 3.

http://respiracreative.com/kids8.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x290/fuerza410/aaron3.jpg


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x290/fuerza410/danah1.jpg

Cute kids and just think Dan is their dad. That is proof miracles still happen. lol :pirate

[AmazingGrace]

Cute kids and just think Dan is their dad. That is proof miracles still happen. lol :pirate

:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny

[SDG]

Thanks EB, AG, DD, JM ... God has been good ... he and they are all I have right now ... and I'm CONTENT.

[SDG]

Cute kids and just think Dan is their dad. That is proof miracles still happen. lol :pirate

Their mom is a beautiful woman.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Their mom is a beautiful woman.

You have her picture?

[SDG]

You have her picture?

Maybe thru PM ...

[NLYP]

Is that so? Well, I'd sure like to know what the world you're talking about, because first of all I've never lived in Tampa. Second of all, the things you say are so incoherent that they don't even warrant a response. Thirdly, I've never heard of you in my entire life. I don't know who you are or what you think you may "know" about me, obviously it's nothing but lies, because as I stated I've never lived in Tampa, Florida. Matter of fact All my years growing up in Orlando, I had been to Tampa ONE time in my life prior to the General Conference. Remember that libel is against the law.

AHHHHHH So you are now adding me to the list of those that receive the "lible" label.
Do you you REALLY want me to go here Caston.........
Ask yourself carefully.....

[BrotherEastman]

AHHHHHH So you are now adding me to the list of those that receive the "lible" label.
Do you you REALLY want me to go here Caston.........
Ask yourself carefully.....
please

[Caston Smith]

AHHHHHH So you are now adding me to the list of those that receive the "lible" label.
Do you you REALLY want me to go here Caston.........
Ask yourself carefully.....





Your threats doesn't scare me. Please read your PM from me ... Daniel Christensen.

[RevBuddy]

Caston...or whoever...

I'm very familiar with the Alabama District and I don't remember you. Also, I've attended a lot of campmeetings there...I'm sorry, but I missed your ignorance-based melody...

Warning! Warning! Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert!

Do not engage...I repeat, do not engage... he is clearly UNARMED!!

[BrotherEastman]

Caston...or whoever...

I'm very familiar with the Alabama District and I don't remember you. Also, I've attended a lot of campmeetings there...I'm sorry, but I missed your ignorance-based melody...

Warning! Warning! Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert!

Do not engage...I repeat, do not engage... he is clearly UNARMED!!
My dad was a home mission pastor in Alabama for five years. Brother Roger Lewis is one of the best men of God I've ever had the privalage of knowing.

[Caston Smith]

Caston...or whoever...

I'm very familiar with the Alabama District and I don't remember you. Also, I've attended a lot of campmeetings there...I'm sorry, but I missed your ignorance-based melody...

Warning! Warning! Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert!

Do not engage...I repeat, do not engage... he is clearly UNARMED!!

I was not involved in with the UPC in AL until 2006 ... I've never been in fellowship with UPC people until I relocated from Orlando, Florida last year.

Perhaps that's why you don't remember me?

[determined]

LOL ... Actually it's more of a slow mellow type of song ... I get request to sing it at church quite often.

I'd like to think you were kidding......

[Caston Smith]

I'd like to think you were kidding......

No, why would I be kidding?

Matter of fact here's a picture of me singing it at a church ....

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff18/castonsmith/castonpiano.jpg

[Timmy]

Caston, have you seen my last two PMs?

[Caston Smith]

Caston, have you seen my last two PMs?

No, I'm sorry .... what were they?

[Timmy]

No, I'm sorry .... what were they?

One was a reply to your last PM to me, and the other was just a forwarding of the reply. I retried the reply, just now.

[Evang.Benincasa]

What happened to Caston Smith? Why was he banned?

Where did he attend church in Orlando?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[RandyWayne]

What happened to Caston Smith? Why was he banned?

Where did he attend church in Orlando?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

He probably went to bed, as should most of us. LOL

I'm logged on quite a bit while doing homework, so I have somewhat of an excuse. :)
Tons of homework to.... My wife shouted the play-by-play of tonights game even!

[Nahum]

Caston Smith is not really Caston Smith.

Its a fun joke though.

I wonder which poster made him up?

[Joseph Miller]

Caston Smith is not really Caston Smith.

Its a fun joke though.

I wonder which poster made him up?

Caston Smith REALLY is Caston Smith.

[RandyWayne]

Not WP?

[Nahum]

Caston Smith REALLY is Caston Smith.

I simply don't believe someone could really be that....

stereotypical.

It's just not possible.

[Joseph Miller]

I simply don't believe someone could really be that....

stereotypical.

It's just not possible.

If I had not spoken to him on the phone today I would agree with ya, but there are a few of us here that have spoken to him and know that he is real.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Why was he banned?

[AmazingGrace]

Because the admin chose to and we were told not to question the admin :)

[pelathais]

He probably went to bed, as should most of us. LOL

I'm logged on quite a bit while doing homework, so I have somewhat of an excuse. :)
Tons of homework to.... My wife shouted the play-by-play of tonights game even!
What did she "shout" concerning that final play?

Oh, well... (groan!) (*heavy sigh!)

Hey check this out:

Nevermind!!! I can't even get the table data to stick!!!

And they just beat MN (North Stars, or wotever!) 3-1 yesterday at the site of what was supposed to be the 2009 NAYC. Maybe there's hope for that dusty old cowtown after all.

Nah! Who am I kidding? I'm not even fooling myself...

[RandyWayne]

What did she "shout" concerning that final play?

Oh, well... (groan!) (*heavy sigh!)

Hey check this out:

Nevermind!!! I can't even get the table data to stick!!!

And they just beat MN (North Stars, or wotever!) 3-1 yesterday at the site of what was supposed to be the 2009 NAYC. Maybe there's hope for that dusty old cowtown after all.

Nah! Who am I kidding? I'm not even fooling myself...

It was funny. I had assumed the Pack had just loss.... Then all of a sudden I hear (and feel a pounding on the floor) "GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! YAAAAAAaaaaaa!"
Which is usually a good sign when it comes to the Pack. Now my hope is that Mike benches a couple of players over the week for their unacceptably high penalties.

[pelathais]

Because the admin chose to and we were told not to question the admin :)
But why did the admins say not to question them? Or did I just do that? Not sure... :dunno

[AmazingGrace]

But why did the admins say not to question them? Or did I just do that? Not sure... :dunno

Yep I think you did... I dont know why they said that .... I didnt question them and ask...:snapout

[Evang.Benincasa]

Because the admin chose to and we were told not to question the admin :)


T, run that by me again? We are told not to what?

[AmazingGrace]

T, run that by me again? We are told not to what?

In the rules area there is a thread by admin... do not question admin is the title....

And right now I dont wanna question them one bit! He is gone and we will find out why I am sure if he returns... I am sure he will voice his opinion loud and clear!

[Evang.Benincasa]

In the rules area there is a thread by admin... do not question admin is the title....

And right now I dont wanna question them one bit! He is gone and we will find out why I am sure if he returns... I am sure he will voice his opinion loud and clear!

Are you for real? There is a thread entitled "Don't question the Admin?"

[AmazingGrace]

Are you for real? There is a thread entitled "Don't question the Admin?"

Yes Sir it is there :)

[freeatlast]

Caston Smith is not really Caston Smith.

Its a fun joke though.

I wonder which poster made him up?

I thought the same PP. I just googled Caston Smith wing alabama and it linked to a web rag called the Apostolic Contender.

Caston has many posts there, where he and This Reckhart guy amen each other a lot.

Here's a portion of one of his ramblings, sad to say, he may just really be what he is.
__________________________________________________ ________

Now with saying that, I do believe that UPCI's governing system has similarities to the Harlot church in that there is one head (KFH) and "Bishops/Presbyters in each state or district" just as the harlot church has dioceses and things of these nature. Could it be that the voice from Heaven (Jesus Christ) in Revelation was saying for us to come out from the harlot meaning in every aspect. Their governing systems etc.

Please don't take me wrong, I am not anti-pastor or anti-authority, I believe strongly in Apostolic authority and having a Pastor for spiritual covering. However the decision made in Tampa at General Conference this year has caused Isaiah chapter 59 (please read) to come in effect for the UPCI.

So my advice is to come out from her and like Pastor Reckart said find good men who adhere to Holiness standards and stand firm for the Apostolic Message. Do not be partakers of her sins. The old song says "It's a highway to Heaven, none can walk up there but the pure in heart!" and from the actions of the UPC's ministers, their heart is not pure in that they are full of love for this world, and NOT the things of God.


Bro. Smith
__________________________________________________ _________

[michelllemybelle]

Oh for sure. My church that I grew up in never sang this but CG introduced us to it about 15 years ago now. You just add anything in it you want to. It was usually sang according to what someone was doing that they shouldn't be doing, that they were not repenting for. I remember one thing clearly..there were always more verses against women than men. LET ME ADD...they didn't leave out the preachers either.
my favorite was

there's a man in the church (oh my lord)
and he wears a red tie (oh my Lord)

well, whatcha gonna do
cast the devil from his wife
and let the church roll on

[rgcraig]

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=8622

[rgcraig]

Because the admin chose to and we were told not to question the admin :)

Let me tweak this answer just a bit.

If anyone gets banned it's because they have broken a rule of the forum, not just because we choose to ban someone.

[RandyWayne]

I thought the same PP. I just googled Caston Smith wing alabama and it linked to a web rag called the Apostolic Contender.

Caston has many posts there, where he and This Reckhart guy amen each other a lot.


Wow. Cheerful little web site...... Exactly like the magazine I so fondly remember!
It is at least pleasant to realize that this small group of constant complainers will never become more relevant then, ohhhh, then a group like the flat or hollow earth society. Which makes it actually fun to read some of this stuff.....

I have to say after skimming through some of it, they are both nutz! Nutz and totally irrelevant.

[Joseph Miller]

bump

[JaneEyre]

my favorite was

there's a man in the church (oh my lord)
and he wears a red tie (oh my Lord)

well, whatcha gonna do
cast the devil from his wife
and let the church roll on

This has to be one of the most ridiculous verses ever.
CAST THE DEVIL FROM HIS WIFE BECAUSE A MAN IS WEARING A RED TIE?

I suppose that means the devil must be cast out of his wife because SHE BOUGHT HIM THE RED TIE. ...Seems unreal now, but I've heard the song several times - but not that verse that I can recall.

I believe anyone that "sees a devil in a wife because her husband wears a red tie" has EXTREME PROBLEMS (both mental and spiritual). Does anyone agree???????

[Monkeyman]

This has to be one of the most ridiculous verses ever.
CAST THE DEVIL FROM HIS WIFE BECAUSE A MAN IS WEARING A RED TIE?

I suppose that means the devil must be cast out of his wife because SHE BOUGHT HIM THE RED TIE. ...Seems unreal now, but I've heard the song several times - but not that verse that I can recall.

I believe anyone that "sees a devil in a wife because her husband wears a red tie" has EXTREME PROBLEMS (both mental and spiritual). Does anyone agree???????If this is what was introduced to me as Christianity, I would be an athiest. Thank God I was fed by normal shephards!!!

[Joseph Miller]

I feel sorry for the sinners around these people. It is not wonder they don't have growning churches. Who wants to get involved with these type of people?

[RandyWayne]

Man oh man, I wish there were a church or two like that around here! Not only would I wear a red tie to one of their services, but it would have red LED's in it!

And of course my wife does not look like a twin of Larry the Cable Guy...... Which may cause restless sweaty nights for most of the (type of) men who go to those churches.

[Joseph Miller]

Man oh man, I wish there were a church or two like that around here! Not only would I wear a red tie to one of their services, but it would have red LED's in it!


:pirate

:stirpot


I did see a red suit I liked one time.

[RandyWayne]

:pirate

:stirpot


I did see a red suit I liked one time.

Ho Ho Ho! And I bet your kids would like it too. :)

[Joseph Miller]

Ho Ho Ho! And I bet your kids would like it too. :)


LOL

[Admin]

There is no need to continue to bash someone who is no longer a member of this forum. This thread is now being closed.