That's an assumption you're making. They claim to know, but their heart is not at peace. Now, they will NOT say it out rightly that they are not right with God. But deep down in their heart, they are not at peace with God. Of course, they will claim to people that they are saved.
i John 3
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
The thing is those who are saved and those who are not saved both claim to be saved. Those who are not saved (who claim to be saved), however are not at peace with God, but they just claim to be saved for various reasons:
Some to look religious
some were raised in church, so to be in the "in crowd" (their heart condemns them though).
So there's no delusion involved at all, just hypocrisy on the side of those who claim to be saved while their heart really does condemn them.
Are you saying that nobody is actually deluded? That they will know they are not saved, and everyone who doesn't (deep inside) know they're not saved is really saved? Nobody will be surprised, and those who cry "Lord, Lord" and are rejected by Jesus will be expecting it? Just pretending to be surprised, I guess?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Are you saying that nobody is actually deluded? That they will know they are not saved, and everyone who doesn't (deep inside) know they're not saved is really saved? Nobody will be surprised, and those who cry "Lord, Lord" and are rejected by Jesus will be expecting it? Just pretending to be surprised, I guess?
Wait, no, that can't be right. You said only Jesus knows. (But in your case, you also know you are really saved. Somehow. So not only Jesus knows, in your case. I guess there are exceptions! )
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Wait, no, that can't be right. You said only Jesus knows. (But in your case, you also know you are really saved. Somehow. So not only Jesus knows, in your case. I guess there are exceptions! )
John 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Jesus said he knows them
And they know him
So I wasn't making an exception of any sort...
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TGBTG: Thank you for your wonderful illustrations from Scripture!! Your point remains clear that God can, and does use various instruments, including animals even.. to get his message across to His people. Just because the instrument was used, does not make that instrument justified in God's sight.
Just because a minister/saint, or anyone else is perhaps used of God in a mighty way, does not necessarily mean God is pleased with their life.
Again, a point I have made quite often in the past few days... one must see the FRUIT of the spirit evident in one's life to know if they truly remain a child of God. And that my friend, is the true lithmus test of Christianity, not outward apparel, tongues, standards, and the like.
Let us look for the fruits of the spirit, with the first one being LOVE...
Amen!
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
1 John 3
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 Cor 13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
This one speaks to us all...
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...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)
John 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Jesus said he knows them
And they know him
So I wasn't making an exception of any sort...
So, you've retracted "only Jesus knows"?
Anyway, it seems even you can agree that there are people who think they are saved, but are not. They think they know their Shepherd's voice, but they don't. You probably even agree that some folks who say they are 100% sure are wrong. I guess our only disagreement on this is whether you could be among them.
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The last time I saw Pastor Toney, I told him to tell you hi-- but he doesn't know me and really don't know each other so I doubt the message ever got to you.
I can see it now....
"Pastor Williams, who is that nutjob sitting on your front row telling me to say hi to one of my golf partners?"
Haha, wouldn't help much, Bro. Toney now pastors in Indiana, so I haven't seen him in quite a while! Thanks for the thought tho!
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In memory of a thread by the same name. Still believe unless a person has obeyed Acts 2:38 and believes in the absolute Oneness of God in Christ Jesus. You are lost. If you support a trinity church you are lost. NOT rejoicing but those are the facts.
In memory of a thread by the same name. Still believe unless a person has obeyed Acts 2:38 and believes in the absolute Oneness of God in Christ Jesus. You are lost. If you support a trinity church you are lost. NOT rejoicing but those are the facts.
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