Thoughts On The Paranormal

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Timmy

I ain't afraid of no ghosts!

I wouldn't be afraid of these goons....



But what about this one?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by acerrak

is it really or is that how you feel on the matter?

cause it doesnt make a difference either way. Time has no hold over you once you die. regardless if your asleep (dead) 2000 years or 10 seconds your eyes will awaken to judgment or redemption. and to you it will be instantly

it doesnt take away or add to your faith, so i saw its hardly a doctrine of devils, as in no way will it really effect your salvation.

The dead know time, and are perfectly conscious. It is written:

Revelation 6:8-10 (KJV)
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

The Word of God testifies against this doctrine. Case closed.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I wouldn't be afraid of these goons....



But what about this one?

I think the entities one can't see are far more troubling. Just me.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The dead know time, and are perfectly conscious. It is written:

Revelation 6:8-10 (KJV)
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

The Word of God testifies against this doctrine. Case closed.

Lol cased closed.. I would like to petition the re-opening of the case.

Your Honor i have more evidence i would like to present to you to contridict the statment made, This also is supported by the Bible.

may i draw your attention to

Ecclesiastes ch9

5 For the living know that they will die;
But the dead know nothing,
And they have no more reward,
For the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished;
Nevermore will they have a share
In anything done under the sun.

10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.

really what difference does it make. How does it it effect your salvation, its arguing over things that really will not have a effect on your relationship with Christ.

I personally dont believe in soul sleep but there is many scriptures that support that way of belief. to me it doesnt matter Its not a heaven or hell issue, as some make it out to be.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by acerrak

Lol cased closed.. I would like to petition the re-opening of the case.

Your Honor i have more evidence i would like to present to you to contridict the statment made, This also is supported by the Bible.

may i draw your attention to

Ecclesiastes ch9

5 For the living know that they will die;
But the dead know nothing,
And they have no more reward,
For the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished;
Nevermore will they have a share
In anything done under the sun.

10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.

You're not thinking categorically. The dead know nothing with regards to what? What aspect of the dead know nothing? They have no more reward with regards to what? What spect of the dead do not have any more reward?

Also, if nevermore will they have a share in anything under the sun... doesn't this discount the notion of resurrection? Again, we have to think categorically. In what way will the dead no longer have any share in anything under the sun?

really what difference does it make.

Truth vs. Error. Some atheists who believe that death brings oblivion will ask, if they are just going to be obliterated from existence... why worry??? They can choose to live as they please, indifferent to God and faith in Christ. Because, what difference will it make?

How does it it effect your salvation, its arguing over things that really will not have a effect on your relationship with Christ.

Defending truth effects our relationship with God. However, the topic doesn't directly effect my salvation. But, as I have illustrated above, it does effect the salvation of those yet to embrace Christ.

I personally dont believe in soul sleep but there is many scriptures that support that way of belief. to me it doesnt matter Its not a heaven or hell issue, as some make it out to be.

Let me play Devil's Advocate. Pretend I'm an atheist who believes that death brings oblivion. I ask.. If soul sleep and annihiliationism is true... what's the difference? I choose oblivion. It's what I believe in anyway.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're not thinking categorically. The dead know nothing with regards to what? What aspect of the dead know nothing? They have no more reward with regards to what? What spect of the dead do not have any more reward?

Also, if nevermore will they have a share in anything under the sun... doesn't this discount the notion of resurrection? Again, we have to think categorically. In what way will the dead no longer have any share in anything under the sun?

Agreed. The dead would know nothing of the affairs of human life on earth I suppose.

So how would we explain the blind girl who never saw anything while alive describe what she saw after during her near death experience?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rFW2...ature=youtu.be

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Agreed. The dead would know nothing of the affairs of human life on earth I suppose.

So how would we explain the blind girl who never saw anything while alive describe what she saw after during her near death experience?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rFW2...ature=youtu.be

Amen.

Simple. I'd chalk it up to evidence that the soul lives on and is consciously aware after death. Any other explanation would require a great deal of complexity.

Soul sleep and Annihilationism is simply Christian Materialism; they deny anything they can't see or study materially. They also fail to realize that the OT doesn't contain a consistent hermeneutic on the afterlife. Jesus, being God, was able to comment on the subject. Those with the Holy Ghost (an immaterial Spirit) dwelling within them, revealing truth to them, were also more qualified to comment on life after death. The concept of death was a shadowy mystery to those in the OT. Those who believe in soul sleep and annhilationism have to graduate to NT revelation.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Amen.

Simple. I'd chalk it up to evidence that the soul lives on and is consciously aware after death. Any other explanation would require a great deal of complexity.

Soul sleep and Annihilationism is simply Christian Materialism; they deny anything they can't see or study materially. They also fail to realize that the OT doesn't contain a consistent hermeneutic on the afterlife. Jesus, being God, was able to comment on the subject. Those with the Holy Ghost (an immaterial Spirit) dwelling within them, revealing truth to them, were also more qualified to comment on life after death. The concept of death was a shadowy mystery to those in the OT. Those who believe in soul sleep and annhilationism have to graduate to NT revelation.

Since that last link to the blind girls experience did not work, Here is another link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbtoX3Q5OI

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Perhaps it depends on what point of view ones chooses to take.

God's Creation
or

Science's big bang with hot molten lava forming the land.

Wouldn't it be awesome to see an asteroid hit the water? Hopefully the people would have advance notice to get away from the coastlines.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Yeah....we'd get to see all sorts of satellite images from space. The media would video it coming in, as it hits the water and the big splash. The size would already be calculated for us, the weight of it, the impact it makes in water and probably estimated what it would be if it hit land. Then they would calculate the damages to land and how much it would cost the insurance companies and all our insurance premiums would increase. We'd all get to see it...that is if one owns a television or goes to the local Walmart store to watch it.