Had a friend and his live-in girlfriend stay over.
They slept in different beds.
What kind of example would I set for my daughters if not?
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
I think I'm a little behind in my single-smilie responses, so, here. Divvy them up however you want:
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
The "God made me this way" actually works in the favor of the Born Again Christian, when we really provide a study of the word. I'm not debating if they were born that way or not, doesn't matter frankly.
In the beginning God created a perfect world, a perfect existence. It was how God had hoped it always would be. But he also provided man free will. The decision man made to disobey God opened the door for the curse of sin, not only on the world but on mankind... and that seed of of the curse if passed on through the life of mankind, via the flesh. Within that flesh is the curse, the fallen nature. That's why when they say there is DNA that shows people have an aptitude to sinful things, like homosexuality, drunkeness, and other issues doesn't surprise me.
And frankly, God doesn't "make" each individual person. Yes he holds the keys to life, but the procreation of man is a principle that is at liberty in the world we live in, and as man procreates, the curse is passed on to each offspring. The life is in the blood.
But Jesus told Nicodemus that we must be born again. We must go back to the very level of the spritual man starting all over. So that a new nature might be obtained, and through the power of the Holy Ghost, the new nature... born of God provide victory over the curse of sin which still resides within our flesh. This body has not yet been redeemed, that will happen in the resurrection.
Paul spoke of crucifying the flesh. He spoke of the battle between natures. The new birth enables the believer to not be a slave to unrighteousness but to be a servant unto God and put that "cursed" sinful nature under the subjection of God.
They must realize, the temptation may not go away if they deny the sin and pick up their cross. God delivers some from it, others He doesn't. But God does enable them that they can have victory over the tempation, and not follow into sin. The true New Birth... being a new creation in Christ Jesus... will give them victory over the flesh, which is where that temptation your friend has resides.
Does this mean he will be perfect? Never fall to the sin? Nope... just like those tempted to have a bad attitude, tell a false truth, or lose their temper as well sometimes choose to follow after the flesh. But if we do sin... we have an advocate with the Father.
When one really understands the New Birth... and that as John 1:12 says, to them gave He power to become the sons of God.... they won't focus on what afflictions and issues they were born with... they'll understand there is a redemption available for them to step over those obstacles and walk in victory.
I couldn't do this. I don't feel convicted or wrong for saying so.
"As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."
I have a cousin who is lesbian and legally married in the state of Maryland.
When they come down for a couple days visit, they sleep in seperate rooms.
They know that I love them and there is nothing I wouldn't do for them if they were in need, but they know my beliefs and I will not allow an abomination to go on in my home.
Scotty, you may be a bit naive here, but not wrong. Do you have 100% assurance that your cousin & her spouse didn't so much as kiss in your home? Wouldn't you consider that an abomination too? I would bet they snuck one or two here and there. They may have so much respect that they completely abstained...but I doubt it.
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Jack Shephard.
Love is a sign of acceptance, but does not have to be an acceptance of their lifestyle.
If one of my children was an alcoholic, I would still love them and accept them, but I would not accept them drinking in my home or around my family.
Love is a sign of tolerance, not agreement. So from what I can tell is you would refuse to have anyone around your family that believes, acts or thinks differently than you. Or you make them adjust to suit you. Would you stay with your cousin at her house if that were the only place to stay? Would you sleep in a separate room from your wife if they had something against it? Would you adjust your life to accomodate theirs on their turf?
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
Jack Shephard.
Love is a sign of tolerance, not agreement. So from what I can tell is you would refuse to have anyone around your family that believes, acts or thinks differently than you. Or you make them adjust to suit you. Would you stay with your cousin at her house if that were the only place to stay? Would you sleep in a separate room from your wife if they had something against it? Would you adjust your life to accomodate theirs on their turf?
No, that is not what I said. There is a difference between "around my family" and "in my home". However; as for around my family, yes, if someone is committing sin around my family then I remove my family. As for the subjects discussed so far in this thread, there is no "what I believe", it is biblical truth. Plain and simple. We are not talking about the clouded discussion of whats said over baptism, one God, or 1step vs 3 step salvation. We are talking about obvious abomination and sin in the eyes of God that is plainly written in scripture.
Yes I would stay with her if were the only place to stay. It is not my home, I do not pray for the annointing and protection of the Holy Ghost over her home, I do mine. And yes, if she requested me and my wife sleep seperatly I would honor her request.
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Originally Posted by Jack Shephard
Scotty, you may be a bit naive here, but not wrong. Do you have 100% assurance that your cousin & her spouse didn't so much as kiss in your home? Wouldn't you consider that an abomination too? I would bet they snuck one or two here and there. They may have so much respect that they completely abstained...but I doubt it.
I obviously am not going to monitor their every move. If they "snuck" a kiss or two then they did. I'm sure God honors the controls I put in place that are under my control. Your really just grasping at straws now.
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
No, that is not what I said. There is a difference between "around my family" and "in my home". However; as for around my family, yes, if someone is committing sin around my family then I remove my family. As for the subjects discussed so far in this thread, there is no "what I believe", it is biblical truth. Plain and simple. We are not talking about the clouded discussion of whats said over baptism, one God, or 1step vs 3 step salvation. We are talking about obvious abomination and sin in the eyes of God that is plainly written in scripture.
Yes I would stay with her if were the only place to stay. It is not my home, I do not pray for the annointing and protection of the Holy Ghost over her home, I do mine. And yes, if she requested me and my wife sleep seperatly I would honor her request.
I obviously am not going to monitor their every move. If they "snuck" a kiss or two then they did. I'm sure God honors the controls I put in place that are under my control. Your really just grasping at straws now.
Sorry, Scotty, I should have been clearer with my response. When I said the being around your family thing I was taking for granted that we would both understand I was talking about under your roof. Forgive me - that was my bad & a communication error.
You mentioned clouded discussions. I have a question or sorts. The things you mentioned about baptism & such, I have always understood that from a typical OP point of view that those individuals that don't do it 'the way the OP churches teach' then they are in sin. I have understood it to be a belief by many OP's that these people are just as wrong as two boys kissing...do you feel these way? Not attempting to argue at all - looking for information for my knowledge. I am the first to tell anyone I don't have all the answers or all the right info.
I wasn't sure that you would monitor their every move. It seemed that you might based on your comment previously, but glad you clarified this for me. I know for me, personally, I invited my roommates to move in with me. I have no problem with them, their lifestyle or whatever. They are perhaps the most conservative openly gay male couple in the world. One voted for Romney in the election. I knew what I was getting myself into with this living situation. It couldn't be a better living arrangement than it is with them.
I am not a believer in "evil spirits" getting all over me because of their actions and me being damned anymore than anyone else's faith being able to save me.
(that was just a statement not a response to anything you said exactly)
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
Jack Shephard.
Sorry, Scotty, I should have been clearer with my response. When I said the being around your family thing I was taking for granted that we would both understand I was talking about under your roof. Forgive me - that was my bad & a communication error.
You mentioned clouded discussions. I have a question or sorts. The things you mentioned about baptism & such, I have always understood that from a typical OP point of view that those individuals that don't do it 'the way the OP churches teach' then they are in sin. I have understood it to be a belief by many OP's that these people are just as wrong as two boys kissing...do you feel these way? Not attempting to argue at all - looking for information for my knowledge. I am the first to tell anyone I don't have all the answers or all the right info.
Not sure why this is relevant to this discussion but ok. No, I do not judge people in their salvational beliefs. I believe in salvation through repentance, baptism in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost w/evidence of other tongues. I am oneness. I will not judge a one steppers salvation. Do I believe they are lost? I hope not. I hope they are right and I am simply over doing it. Either way, "let each work out their own salvation with fear and trembling".
I wasn't sure that you would monitor their every move. It seemed that you might based on your comment previously, but glad you clarified this for me. I know for me, personally, I invited my roommates to move in with me. I have no problem with them, their lifestyle or whatever. They are perhaps the most conservative openly gay male couple in the world. One voted for Romney in the election. I knew what I was getting myself into with this living situation. It couldn't be a better living arrangement than it is with them.
I am not a believer in "evil spirits" getting all over me because of their actions and me being damned anymore than anyone else's faith being able to save me.
(that was just a statement not a response to anything you said exactly)
Yeah, I'm not much on evil spirits brushing off on me either. But just the same as churches have a problem with marrying gay couples in their sactuary, I have a problem with it, or any other sin, in my home.
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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