It is wrong to Ordain new Christians as Ministers

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

There's nothing wrong with legislating a time frame if there is a need for it... and if the ELders believe there is a need then the young ministers should respect that and wait for their seasoning to be completed.....

Agreed! However, as you stated "if the Elders believe there is a need." To make a blanket statement concerning how long that "time" should be is stretching it a bit too far. (And again I am talking about ordination, not the training of a man for ministry, which includes preaching, teaching, etc.)

[Rico]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Dr Vaughn,

I will be glad to answer your question,

Q. Do I believe that my leadership was using wisdom by allowing me to preach at that age?

A. Absolutely! It was very obvious to all, that I had a calling upon my life, and I was not being ordained at that point, simply being trained and developed.

Personally I think we are confusing two completely different concepts. The first is being "ordained" and the second is the development of ministry. To "ordain" a novice would be to disregard the scriptural warnings against such. To fail to train a young minister would also represent a disregard for the Word of God. Training is not just book knowledge but practical application as well. (i.e. preaching, teaching, and other aspects of leadership training under the direct supervision of a seasoned pastor.) JMHO

Good post, Brother.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

As Baron informed you... look up PREACH ----- sharing ones testimony of conversion does not place them in pulpit ministry nor does it place them in five fold ministry.... PAUL did not enter his ministry of authority until after these 3 years

Paul lays out in 1 Timothy the "requirements" church leadership (aka ministry). He was thorough, but he did not give an arbitrary time frame.

The Methodists have a time frame and it is just the way they do it. You don't have to do it their way and you don't have to be a Methodist "minister". They would tell you that it is Biblical to allow time for spiritual growth and maturity.

I agree with them and I agree with you-- up to that point.

They do not attempt to tie God to their prescribed method, it is just what they do and how they do it-- like it or leave it.

That is the way to be-- have your requirements, standards and call them your own and not God's. There is nothing wrong with doing it this way and in the end, it is much more honest.

This goes for ALL STANDARDS.

[Precis]

None of the seventy-two that yahushua sent out two by two had a three year qualifying time limit.
No unless you count their being taught the torah all their life.
I know a standard shoud be considered according to the person to be ordained.
Oh, one other point, it was the evangelist that ordained not the elders.
Timothy was an evangelist not a elders.

[Livelystone]

I think God's laws regarding fruit tree should be applied. If there is no sign of God producing fruit (signs and wonders) from someone then they should not be allowed to instruct others in the things of God. (This was a sign of apostles chosen by God and not by man)

I realize this would eliminate the majority of the clergy or at least demote them to being ushers and other forms of menial labor, but the truth is the vast majority of the clergy needs to be demoted.

Lev:19: 23 And when ye shall come into the land, and shall have planted all manner of trees for food, then ye shall count the fruit thereof as uncircumcised: three years shall it be as uncircumcised unto you: it shall not be eaten of.

24 But in the fourth year all the fruit thereof shall be holy to praise the Lord withal.

25 And in the fifth year shall ye eat of the fruit thereof, that it may yield unto you the increase thereof: I am the Lord your God.