The Great Tribulation: Battleground Earth

[coksiw]

I think you can have the expectation of the coming of the Lord and also keep doing business, and working, and standing for what is right . There will always be people taking things to the extreme, ... both way. That's just lack of wisdom, maturity, or understanding.

[Luk 21:34 NASB] 34 "Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap;

[Rev 22:17, 20 NASB] 17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost. ... 20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

[mfblume]

Some folks put eschatology above the truth of the work of the cross. Forget godhead theology or proper understanding of Acts 2:38. Find a church that's post-trib!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Heres what I mean using myself as the example. I was a hippie in 1974 browsing through an occult bookstore. My eyes fell upon a book that mentioned the end times. That was a concept I had rarely heard and certainly knew nothing of.

I got curious and took it home. After a few days I started reading the Bible. In my 20 year life at that time I had maybe read the Bible about 30 minutes. Now as I started looking into end time prophecy I got excited about reading it. Like 2-3 hours a night!

As I began praying and seeking God I found the greatest desire to know him and his word. Within 6 weeks I received the Holy Ghost.

I can tell you this happened to thousands of people around that time. I have no doubt it is still happening today. The end time message catches ones attention. He starts seeking God. He either hears the gospel of salvation from someone or maybe like myself begins just seeking for Jesus....and he shows up!

So because you have not met one person with such a testimony does not mean there is no one.

Mike, a guy is walking through the back yard at night, and falls into an open well. He lands at the bottom. That night he prayed and asked Jesus that if he ever got out alive he would give Him his life. Later through time, this man became a preacher. He bought a church building and had a well dug right out in the back. When some visitor would come, he would promptly throw the visitor right down the well and walk back into the church. You see Mike, what happened to us to bring us to God is what we needed. Which might not be what everyone else needs. Yet, it looks like that End Time book was your seerer stone to the rest of the Bible.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So the Bible is so one might know the history of the Jewish people? Well what relevance then has the Bible for us today then?

Luke 21:25

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

So in OUR DAY we have no signs pointing to the coming of Jesus on a cloud to redeem US?

We need not watch the signs and pray? So if you believe this was JUST FOR ISRAEL you must believe Jesus already came in the first century. In that case the Bible means nothing to us. It was not written for a people who MISSED THE COMING OF JESUS.

It was written for a people who were LOOKING FOR his coming.

Also consider this. If the book of Revelation was just for first century dwellers at Jerusalem almost NONE OF THEM ever knew anything about it.
Even if Revelation was written before 70ad almost no one owned their own "Bible".

So if there may have been a few hand written copies of it around how many Messianic Jews owned copies of the Old Testament in which they would go back and study to tie the symbols of Revelation with the prophetic words that came before?

If Matt 24 were strictly for the Jews in the first century thats all they would have needed. The book of Revelation even if seen by a few of them would not have been needed.

Mike, stop the drama. You believe that the book of Revelation wasn't for anyone for 2,000 years! Here is wisdom, figure out the number name of the beast. Well, my man, according to you if someone lived 2,000 years ago that would be impossible. Because according to you the joker wouldn't be born for another 2,000 years. Yet, you say that the BOTTOMLESS PIT is on earth? It is physical? Mike, it has NO BOTTOM!!!!! Do you get that? You must have a huge amount of Fort Lauderdale housewives listening to you on PalTalk and YouTubes. Mike, you also misquote Matthew 24:21 at the beginning of your vid.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

IMO this thread is already showing the great need for videos like the one Dom posted. Believers think life will always just go on as it is at least a great number of them. That America will always be prosperous and free with a constitution to protect them.

Many are taken with fear at just talking about such things. It does not seem real that here in the good ol USA we could be getting persecuted for our faith. Not to mention if and when God begins casting his wrathful judgements against our nation.

No they have been rocked to sleep by pre trib and preterist teachings that the terrible and glorious events of the Revelation written by John is totally irrelevant to them. The pre tribs because they think Jesus would not allow them to suffer for his name.

The prets because they say all this happened to the Jews ONLY in 70ad!

So when the end times arrive and all their confidence is shaken because they will be facing life in the slaughterhouse of Mystery Babylon or possible beheading among the 10 nations the beast rules....many....will fall away.

So yes bring on more sound end time doctrine and yes embrace the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand in the evil day.

Does that mean you cannot go forth and serve God now? God forbid! The Church is to be a foretaste of the Heavenly kingdom. Demonstrate the love and the power of God. Go after the lost!

Yet understand that its no strange thing if firey trials come. Take the stand in your heart you will be prepared to die (literally) for the Lord Jesus Christ. Teach your wife and kids and whoever else will listen to make that commitment.

Pretrib and Preterist lulling people to sleep? Seriously? How about someone teaching Doomsday Eschatology about flying monsters, a pit without a bottom, a literal monster walking out of "A" sea. One sea, bubba, not an ocean, not seas, but a sea. Why? because the BIGGEST BODY OF WATER was one the first century peoples called the Middle Earth Sea, which is known to us as the Mediterranean Sea. Sound end time doctrine, but Hoss, that's because you think everything that comes out your chimney is Jesus Christ. I'm sitting down with some brothers watching your vid, and they kept backing it up where you state that the bottomless pit was literal. Angels have literal chain to lock up the devil, and place a literal wax seal upon the pit which HAS NO BOTTOM. Marianas trench has a literal bottom Mike. 36,070 feet deep.

I bet you got really scared when Brother Lee Stoneking spoke about this.

The sounds must be those long haired scorpion demons

[Evang.Benincasa]

[Evang.Benincasa]

Morgellons!!! Are from the bottomless pit!!!! The Bible speaks of fibers attacking man in the last days!!!! Run Forrest Run!!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

This guy has it figured all out, and he is going to tell us his good sound teaching.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, stop the drama. You believe that the book of Revelation wasn't for anyone for 2,000 years! Here is wisdom, figure out the number name of the beast. Well, my man, according to you if someone lived 2,000 years ago that would be impossible. Because according to you the joker wouldn't be born for another 2,000 years. Yet, you say that the BOTTOMLESS PIT is on earth? It is physical? Mike, it has NO BOTTOM!!!!! Do you get that? You must have a huge amount of Fort Lauderdale housewives listening to you on PalTalk and YouTubes. Mike, you also misquote Matthew 24:21 at the beginning of your vid.

But thats the Lords wisdom Dom. It COULD have been at any given time. Every generation is given the hope that Christ could come in their time. One generation dies off another comes up.

They do what I did when I first began reading the Bible. They take it PERSONALLY. Like its meant FOR THEM.

If Christ came 2000 years ago for his people.....who are we? Is the Bible written to people who are LOOKING FOR CHRIST TO COME? Or to a people who missed it by 2000 years?

How do we know we can claim ANYTHING in the New Testament?

Didnt Christ say those who missed his coming were forbidden to come to his wedding? That the door was SHUT? Matt 25:10-12

If we are part of the people who missed his coming and the true 1st century saints for whom the coming of Christ was intended have been in Heaven for 2000 years where do we in our time come into play? How do you know we come into play at all?

So if the bottomless pit is not in the Earth what and where is it pray tell? I heard one Preacher say the bottomless pit is the Church!

Do you agree with him? Why dont those who take everything spiritually agree with each others interpretation?

The beast was Antiochus. The beast was Titus. The beast was Nero. The beast is inside Church members.

When the endtime events actually come to pass the whole world will be involved not just Jerusalem.

Rev 11:15-18

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

If these things happened in 70ad Jesus Christ should be reigning over the nations. The dead should have been raised and judged and given their reward.

If they were WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Are they somewhere on the Earth? Are they in Heaven? If they were rewarded in 70ad why are they not ruling over the nation as in Rev. 2:26?

This doctrine reminds me a lot of Jehovah Witnesses and 1914. A certain number of saints went to Heaven at that time. No one saw them leave. No one has seen them since.

[Michael The Disciple]

I'm sitting down with some brothers watching your vid, and they kept backing it up where you state that the bottomless pit was literal.

Yes I said that. I believe it is. Maybe they will keep backing it up until they get it.

So where and what is the bottomless pit according to you and your brothers?