Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I do not know what rock you crawled out from under.

When I received the Holy Ghost at Mark Hanby's church in 1976 at 11 years old.

His bible school students were instructing me how to speak in tongues.

My dad was a teacher at the school his teaching was on the Oneness.

When Mark Hanby watched as they tried to instruct me on how to speak in tongues.

He told them to step aside and layed his hands on me as the spirit of the Lord fell on me.

I was a member from childhood in some of the largest churches in the UPCI.

Until early 2007.

Everyone of them had alter workers who would tell folks how to speak in tongues.

My neighbor today got scared off at the large UPCI church that I attended in Oak Creek, Wi for 27 years.

I am not dishonest for sharing my 43 years of "real" experience in some of the largest churches in Oneness.

Again you did not stop at the Cross in your response....

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So what you are saying is, your evidence of instatutionalized teaching of how to speak in tongues comes from your experiance as an 11 year old with some young inexperianced yet zelous bibleschool students? while at the same time, their cheif benifactor did exactly the opposite of your accusation?

Neck, hopefully you see the error of the comment now.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Do you really take what happenned in that church as a cross section of the whole of the UPC?

I can take what I saw in the many other churches as well.

My main comment was many focus on Baptism and speaking in Tongues.

There needs to be a real conversion at Repentance.

Why the high turnover rate if folks are getting saved in the truth?

Why do churches settle on a 15-20 keep rate?

I know it is because of the shallow way the salvation message is teached...

The new covert has the formula without the why.

That is why the Church I did attend in Oak Creek, Wi for years did have large church growth to almost 1800 members.

A large number of converts were saved by first going through Search for Truth bible studies.

Even those bible studies new how to bring the new convert to the Cross before Acts 2:38.

What is it in week 8 when they hear about Acts 2:38.

What if one of those souls were to parish before week 8?

Many would have them start at Acts 2:38.

That is my point....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

I don't think you understand what has been said here.

Great posts get shoved around, get torn to shreds, and burn in effigy by the pseudoApsostolic crowd. Why cast pearls before swine?

Who is complaining? Are you calling StMatthew a complainer?

I suppose "great posts" will always be in the eye of the beholder.

This thread started out with the complaints about "3 steppers" taking their marbles and leaving. The complaint was that the "3 steppers" were being called names like "Mormon" and "Papists."

And now Jekyll elevates the tone by calling others "swine" and "pseudoApostolic."

It is a historical fact the Apostolic Faith movement began at the turn of the last century (~1900 A.D.). Why are those who follow the beliefs and practices of the Apostolic Faith movement called "pseudoApostolics?"

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well said.
The PCI folks seem to lie in wait like lions in the bushes, ready to pounce on some fresh meat.

You have sadly taken on a very cynical view of your brethren. Just go back through this thread and look at the taunting that was done by "3 Steppers."

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Well, come on now, guys, PCI vs. PAJC has been and will be around since the 20th century and will go on until Jesus comes...that debate will rage to the end of AFF

I alluded to this earlier, but let me expand on this thought for a minute.Maybe it's a hypothetical issue worth considering here.

Maybe the PAJC-PCI merger was not such a good idea after all.
I know the merged organization has done a lot of good since 1945. But God could have also used the PAJC mightily even if there had been no merger.

As the word says "How can 2 walk together except they be in agreement?". There hasn't been real agreement from the very beginning on the critical issue of what salvation consists of.

I'm sure that today if the UPCI was thinking of merging with a PCI-type group, it would be strongly opposed within the UPC as being a bad idea. So then... if it would be a bad idea in 2007, maybe it was a bad idea back in 1945 too.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I can take what I saw in the many other churches as well.

My main comment was many focus on Baptism and speaking in Tongues.

There needs to be a real conversion at Repentance.

Why the high turnover rate if folks are getting saved in the truth?

Why do churches settle on a 15-20 keep rate?

I know it is because of the shallow way the salvation message is teached...

The new covert has the formula without the why.

That is why the Church I did attend in Oak Creek, Wi for years did have large church growth to almost 1800 members.

A large number of converts were saved by first going through Search for Truth bible studies.

Even those bible studies new how to bring the new convert to the Cross before Acts 2:38.

What is it in week 8 when they hear about Acts 2:38.

What if one of those souls were to parish before week 8?

Many would have them start at Acts 2:38.

That is my point....

its a pretty weak point. yes there are some that make this mistake. but you wont find many that defend the practice!

this is misdirection Neck. At best you are talking about a very small minority.

Geez, its almost like you people think we dont know what the Gospel is!

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Ferd

its a pretty weak point. yes there are some that make this mistake. but you wont find many that defend the practice!

this is misdirection Neck. At best you are talking about a very small minority.

Geez, its almost like you people think we dont know what the Gospel is!

First off from where I was taught, "Geez" is a form of taking the Lord's name in vain.

For now I am checking out of this thread.....

God bless all,

Nate

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Does leaning to the PCI side condone acceptance of "Light Doctrine" or "Universal Salvation?" My lands, some who have abandoned all holiness and baptize in the Trinity still promote FULL Salvation. We have this huge segment who seem to totally abandon the requirement for Baptism in both Water and Spirit. Felicity has affirmed she is not one of the same.

I think you are seeing yourself as a grasshopper and your rhetorical opponents as giants.

The "Light Doctrine" in its many forms was foundational to the development of Oneness Pentecostalism in the 20th century.

To my knowledge, there is a single poster who promotes Universalism. One.

The "huge segment" who "seem to totally abandon the requirement for Baptism in both Water and Spirit" is neither huge nor have any of them "totally abandoned" anything that you say they have.

This is my perception.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I do not know what rock you crawled out from under.
...
Again you did not stop at the Cross in your response....

Hmmm...

Because I challenged you for using an improper generalization you say I did not stop at the cross in my response? Please.

Whatever your experience has been in the UPC churches you mentioned... The fact is "teaching people how to speak in tongues" is an aberrational practice, not a normal practice in UPC churches. If you think the opposite is the case then you are very sadly misinformed.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

First off from where I was taught, "Geez" is a form of taking the Lord's name in vain.

For now I am checking out of this thread.....

God bless all,

Nate

there you have it. I am the bad guy.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think you are seeing yourself as a grasshopper and your rhetorical opponents as giants.

The "Light Doctrine" in its many forms was foundational to the development of Oneness Pentecostalism in the 20th century.

To my knowledge, there is a single poster who promotes Universalism. One.

The "huge segment" who "seem to totally abandon the requirement for Baptism in both Water and Spirit" is neither huge nor have any of them "totally abandoned" anything that you say they have.

This is my perception.

I think Coca-cola and the colors of the crayon box should be removed from your perception.