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Old 04-02-2010, 03:13 PM
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Re: Noah and the Ark

Anyway, aren't you glad God promised not to destroy mankind ever again? (By flood?)
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Old 04-02-2010, 04:42 PM
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Did he then bottle it and sell as it 30 year old Chateau Guadet complete with a 30 year old label on the bottle showing the date?

I've noticed also that you've had to add, "It was water and instantly He had changed it into a perfectly aged wine." Why not just take the Word of God for what it says and not start adding jots and tittles to one passage to support a misapprehension of another?

Fact of the matter is, wine in those times was seldom "aged." It was a commodity intended for regular and mass consumption, not a delicacy that was hoarded by connoisseurs. Notice, when the "governor of the feast" was presented with wine in the pots that were used by the guests for washing their hands and feet, he was amazed at the quality, not the fact that such great tasting wine would be stored in a foot bath, lavers and such.

Fine, Jesus made it into the best wine. I'm willing to bet that the best wine is aged. I'm no wine drinker, but come on. Regardless even the worst wine takes time to make. The point is that Jesus did make something that instantly (or pretty quickly, my guess is instantly) was aged. I say "perfectly" aged because that's what Jesus seemed to do (make things whole which I would think to be perfect) while performing miracles.
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If, as you pruport, Jesus made this wine "aged", He would have a a reason to do so. What would His reason be in making a "New" earth appear "Aged?"
He does everything for a specific reason, not just to satisfy our ideas, beliefs or notions.
I don't know why He would do that or if that is even the case. It might be, but I don't know. The world went through a cataclysmic event by God. With the kind of stress that it received it just might be that's why it's looks older than what it does.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Could it be that when God made the stars they were much closer and after He stretched out the heavens the stars are much further away. However the light was much closer at one point and could explain why it didn't take billions of light years to reach us. Maybe God just does what He does even if we can't understand it.
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Good point.

The big difference though, regarding the initial subject of this thread (Noah and the Ark), is that the Bible gives measurement, capacity, material used, time on board, of a ship that was designed to carry a Zoo beyond anyone's wildest dreams. Its one thing to believe in a miracle and another to believe that Blue is Black.

God gave us measurement to define Truth. This is important, otherwise people can say whatever they want to, telling us, "It's a MIRACLE". False doctrine grows upon the foundation of the unproven and unmeasured. We see this in past civilizations and Religion, where they were told to "Just Believe", and the belief or idea was found to be a lie.

Even today, many Religions use ideas that cannot be proven to establish a following. For instance, Mormons, use an array of unproven ideas to gain power over their constituents. We stand back and call them an Occult, while we ourselves may be guilty of the very same thing. We can become arrogant and blind if we think otherwise. Anytime a “People” think they have found the Truth about God without accountable measurement, the realm of Faith or the Impossible within that Religion must be scrutinized or ideas will grow into fables.

Putting the concept into a more viable light might be to say, "We drove around in my car for a year, with 45 people in it, never stopped at a bathroom or for food, and then landed on high ground ready to re-populate the World". Of course we all think this is ridiculous. In fact, it can't be done.

Remember, years ago people couldn't validate the Ark experience like they can today. People lived in very isolated communities. What they "Saw" would be a very limited populace of animals, so the belief in all of them being on one ship might work. Today, we see the entire Earth and the equation or measurement of such an event is impossible. One ship could never house such an array of animals, supplying all of their needs by just 8 people.

We can visit places (Zoo's, Wildlife Parks) that take care of several hundred species, and the effort, work, environment, food, and staff to care for these animals is astronomical. We are told the Ark housed 2+ million species, and if this doesn’t add up to Truth, how far will we go with unproven theory? How deep will we allow Religion to carry us into places that are false?
Noah was born 126 years after Adam's death. Look at the average age of each generation to Noah. Imagine how much information was passed down from father to son until Noah. If we lived that long imagine the technology we'd have in these times, let alone God instructing us personally. Impossible? Not with God. If i'm foolish then I'm foolish for believing the bible.
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I don't know why He would do that or if that is even the case. It might be, but I don't know. The world went through a cataclysmic event by God. With the kind of stress that it received it just might be that's why it's looks older than what it does.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Could it be that when God made the stars they were much closer and after He stretched out the heavens the stars are much further away. However the light was much closer at one point and could explain why it didn't take billions of light years to reach us. Maybe God just does what He does even if we can't understand it.
BIG BANG! At the begining, everything was all together in one little object. With a great Bang, all the matter began to separte itself from the rest , so yes, the stars were much closer, so close at one time it was all connected before God "stretched out the heavens". As time went on and the matter/stars/planets etc. got further and further away until now the furthest of the objects are some 13 billion light years away (Plus or minus a qazillion).
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Anyway, aren't you glad God promised not to destroy mankind ever again? (By flood?)
I'm very happy about that!
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I'm very happy about that!
Yeah, and we have His bow to remind us of that covenant. That was so sweet of Him. Every time we see a rainbow in the sky, we should thank Him for promising not to kill us all! (With a flood. Cuz another world-wide flood, oh man, that would be horrible! I mean, just imagine -- the panic, the screams, the despair. Once is enough!)
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Yeah, and we have His bow to remind us of that covenant. That was so sweet of Him. Every time we see a rainbow in the sky, we should thank Him for promising not to kill us all! (With a flood. Cuz another world-wide flood, oh man, that would be horrible! I mean, just imagine -- the panic, the screams, the despair. Once is enough!)
BTW, does that covenant have some bearing on the question of global vs regional? I mean, would it make any sense for God to promise not to use a regional flood ever again to destroy mankind?
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Yeah, and we have His bow to remind us of that covenant. That was so sweet of Him. Every time we see a rainbow in the sky, we should thank Him for promising not to kill us all! (With a flood. Cuz another world-wide flood, oh man, that would be horrible! I mean, just imagine -- the panic, the screams, the despair. Once is enough!)
Without the wrath of God we could not have His mercy.
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