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Originally Posted by mfblume
According to Calvinism not really everyone was going to hell since God knew the end from the beginning and predestined some to heaven before their birth.
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I agree, I was being sloppy there. To put is correctly All deserve, from the womb, God's wrath and without the redemption of Christ we are going to Hell. It is not that God predestines people to Hell, Hell is what we deserve outside of Christ's redemption
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Originally Posted by mfblume
I never said it was arbitrary. But to know God purposely sends some to hell is the issue, and I will not accept that. As I told Socialite, it contradicts the fact that God does not will that any should perish. I can imagine the mental gymnastics that occur over that verse to get around the obvious. lol
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The remark about arbitrary was probably referring to another comment in the thread.
But it is exceedingly clear that God
purposely sends some to Hell - The Day of Judgement is when He will do that.
You are right God does not will that any would perish but that does not contradict His Holiness which demands justice - The wages of sin is death. Take the verse that none shall perish outside of universalism then it becomes conditional - so the question becomes what conditions are applied?
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Originally Posted by mfblume
I see that this nothing to do with Western thought. Think of it. God is not wiling that any should perish, but he willingly predestines some to perish??? It flatly contradicts the word.
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The western mindset has the presupposition of free will, in other parts of the world this is not the case.
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